Posted on Sep 13, 2016
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If a fresh 2LT/ENS ordered an E9 to attention because of a disagreement, would the E9 have to comply? What would possibly happen?
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SPC Adam Reier
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During the time I was in I saw several E9s and there were only a very few that could and would tell him or her what to do and I'm sorry to say it an OK was not one of them.
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SSG S2 Intelligence Nco
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So 2LT tells BN CSM that her bar outranks his stripes and that he can't order an officer to do anything. This happens in the CSM's office. BN XO, ENG, prior INF, hears this. He calls thr 2LT into his office, and through a closed door, we hear him destroy her soul. "How can I give you a command if you don't respect your NCOs?" "He has been in this unit longer than you have been in the Army!" Et cetera, et cetera... when she was dismissed, she ran out crying.
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LTC Denis Sullivan
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Would he or she HAVE to comply? Technically, yes, or they would be in violation of military regulations. I would imagine there would be an interesting conversation shortly thereafter, however.
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SFC Melvin Frazier
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Well, you know the drill... If the situation is unethical, no! If the LT is legit, yes.
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SGT Scott Moreland
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Technically, they should as it is a lawful order. The reaction of the E9 depends on the circumstances. In ceremony and day to day military courtesy it is appropriate for the E9 to set the example. If it originated from the O1's ego, there would certainly be a conversation that followed. A good E9 worth his salt would attempt to advise and mentor that young officer but if that officer was not receptive to the seasoned guidance being offered then it would be necessary to involve the CO.
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SCPO Aviation Electronics Technician
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It should never come to that.
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LT Derek Wood
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Question should be: "Should an E9 comply if ordered to attention by an O1?" Yes, in public. no question. Maybe not in private (no audience). It boils down to a courtesy correction. I guess it really boils down to: are you truly a professional, or an ass-hat.
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SGM Curtis Young
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Yes
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Cpl Daniel Lee
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I saw a MGySgt tell a boot Lt. "Climb up my stripes and get it!!" in reference to a salute when i was a young boot... That man was like a god after i saw that happen hahaha
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SgtMaj Sergeant Major/First Sergeant
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1) "That" is something that would never happen in the Corps. 2) SgtsMaj don't usually have the opportunity to interact with officers below Major unless it is in passing. 3) Rank is one thing; power is another. An 0-1 (or an O-2 or 0-3 for that matter) doesn't "out power" the SgtMaj.
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PFC Terry Shofner
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In all technicalities yes he must comply. But the following shit storm will be funny to watch.
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Duane Weimerskirch
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it is in the oath we take . I feel it would hold a little more credibility to the position of O-1 on up if the person coming into the officer ranks has at least an E5 befor they are commissioned. I feel there would be less of a breakdown of leadership. too many officers get a power trip because of a butter bar then end up getting people killed for stupid shit.
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PO2 Mark Wallace
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He would have to respond but I feel sorry for the LT
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SSgt Financial Management & Comptroller
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A outstanding Chief would comply for the sake of subordinates. However, I do believe that a private conversation will happen very soon afterwards.
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LCpl William Massey
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I have seen both sides of this. Hash marks don' t always equate wisdom or competency. All junior officers are not idiots. You respect the rank and not the man or woman wearing it. There is a chain of command for a reason. I once saw a First Sargent attempt this with a Second Luitenant and was eaten alive by him. Second Louie was exactly right when he said you may not respect me but you will respect this pointing to his gold bar. There are plenty of examples on the other side. The best senior NCO's avoid this kind of dust up by establishing their worth not through bluster but rather competence.
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MSG Frank Burns
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He would sat that Lt straight
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SGT DePatrick Mitchell
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It's a lawful order and should be obeyed. You don't have to like it and can report if you feel it is retaliation for a disagreement.
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COL Dallas Wurst
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As a professional NCO he should. He knows there will be another meeting in the Commanders office that will have corrective actions.
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SSgt Kent Vickery
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Yes. 2 Lt. Probably not going to like the ass ripping he's about to experience
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SFC Charles Magee
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Yes
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