Posted on Sep 13, 2016
Would an E9 comply if ordered to attention by an O1?
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I respect the O's, but I don't know any E7s that would let an O1 do that, let alone an E9.
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In my experience, they wouldn't destroy the LT in public, but there's usually a follow up meeting with the BN or BDE Commander. A very, very, close and intimate meeting that can be described as "life changing." Rarely would the SGM openly rebuke an officer, only when necessity and common sense required.
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I remember this actually happening in an MI unit I was assigned too in the 90s though I think it was O1 and 1SG. The 1SG was soon after it happened, the Bn staff SGM so it could have been after he made E9. Needless to say this O1 not only had a very rapid meeting with out Bn CDR but she also soon relieved of her duties (was S1 LT) and reassigned (or given the boot who knows).
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Yeah technically, but this is not an all or nothing scenerio....very much a grey area. One the audacity of the LT would dictate where it goes, and more importantly the patience of the E9.
Remember the E9 has made his career and doesnt need promted, but that LT has stiff road to Maj and beyond. The politics of him getting there with behaivor like that could mean a very rough, difficult road with no future
Remember the E9 has made his career and doesnt need promted, but that LT has stiff road to Maj and beyond. The politics of him getting there with behaivor like that could mean a very rough, difficult road with no future
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Yes he would have to respond! Many (not all) E9's resent officers period. I had enlisted time (SGT) and Commissioned time. Taught HS JROTC. And many E9's in system had problems still working with Officers. Wish I knew why. Hope I just worked with egotistical Non Com's.
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The way it was explained to me.
O1- never heard of god.
O2- has heard rumors that there is a god.
O3 - confirmed sightings of god.
O4 - brief encounters with god.
O5 - regular encounters with god.
O6 & above - communes with god.
E8 & above - god!
A good Senior NCO usually has the ability to take that "problem" out of the "public" location. Any intelligent 0-1 knows that the Senior NCO spends a lot more time (has the ear of) with the O-1's boss's boss's boss!
O1- never heard of god.
O2- has heard rumors that there is a god.
O3 - confirmed sightings of god.
O4 - brief encounters with god.
O5 - regular encounters with god.
O6 & above - communes with god.
E8 & above - god!
A good Senior NCO usually has the ability to take that "problem" out of the "public" location. Any intelligent 0-1 knows that the Senior NCO spends a lot more time (has the ear of) with the O-1's boss's boss's boss!
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Had the a almost same experience as an E-3. On quarterdeck watch on Enterprise the Stennis was pier side. We carried 12 gauges for watch. The Stennis carried 9 mil. Our captains orders were not to salute anybody on watch just come to attention. Well... had a O-1 from the Stennis come across the brow. Popped to attention and said good morning sir. Which he replied shipmate where is my salute? I said Sir i do not salute when carrying this weapon per my co's orders...Sat there for a good 5 minutes demanding his salute. Never gave him one. Well the gunnery division warrant 4, 32 years in the navy btw...came by and heard what was going on an dragged that O-1 through the quarterdeck to the hangar bay and went up one side and down the other on this kid. I couldn't help it was laughing my ass off... The CO came aboard saw me smirking and heard the warrant screaming in the hangar bay... I told him what happened and the CO joined the warrant and about 5 minutes later that O-1 hauled ass across the brow no salute nothing. I just popped to attention and said sir....
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E9 has earned their position with a LOT of time put in. A lt is what 3-5 years? Come on
Seniority rules. That's so disrespectful. Wouldn't have flown on my ship I'll tell ya that.
Seniority rules. That's so disrespectful. Wouldn't have flown on my ship I'll tell ya that.
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So back when I was a PVT, we had a new O1 arrive 30 minutes late to the BN. No one paid her any mind, as she was just a butter bar and all the BN/CO officers had arrived for the day.
So she flips out on the junior troops hanging around the staff duty desk. "Who's in charge here? Why didn't anyone call the bldg to attention when I walked in? I'm an officer!"
The outgoing staff duty runner, E4, acknowledged that he had just got off duty at work call, so she dropped him and started to berate him loudly for not calling her "ma'am" or standing at attention.
We all did a quick vanishing act, listening around the corners, and someone ran for the guy's NCO.
So SGT comes down to ask her, "What's going on here?"
She orders SGT to attention and goes off on him. He tells his troop to get out of there, troop doesn't need asking twice.
The commotion draws BN CSM'a attention. "What's going on here?"
This little short female LT faces off to our CSM (whose personal motto was "Strike Fear") and informs him that HIS BN is ate-up and lacking discipline and oh btw HE should stand at attention and call her "ma'am", because "technically, I outrank you!"
I've never seen CSM turn so red in my life... then he took a deliberate deep breathe and his face went back to normal, and he said, calmly, "Technically, you are correct, ma'am. But why don't we take this conversation to the BC's office just down the hall?"
BC was retiring. Gentle teddy bear of a man, anyone could walk in and ask, "So how 'bout them Yankees?" And be invited in eagerly, "Come in, come in, how's everything going?" Never saw him get mad before.
We. Could. Hear. Him. From. The. End. Of. The. Bldg!
Which is how I know that LT was BORN the year CSM enlisted!! LMAO!
So she flips out on the junior troops hanging around the staff duty desk. "Who's in charge here? Why didn't anyone call the bldg to attention when I walked in? I'm an officer!"
The outgoing staff duty runner, E4, acknowledged that he had just got off duty at work call, so she dropped him and started to berate him loudly for not calling her "ma'am" or standing at attention.
We all did a quick vanishing act, listening around the corners, and someone ran for the guy's NCO.
So SGT comes down to ask her, "What's going on here?"
She orders SGT to attention and goes off on him. He tells his troop to get out of there, troop doesn't need asking twice.
The commotion draws BN CSM'a attention. "What's going on here?"
This little short female LT faces off to our CSM (whose personal motto was "Strike Fear") and informs him that HIS BN is ate-up and lacking discipline and oh btw HE should stand at attention and call her "ma'am", because "technically, I outrank you!"
I've never seen CSM turn so red in my life... then he took a deliberate deep breathe and his face went back to normal, and he said, calmly, "Technically, you are correct, ma'am. But why don't we take this conversation to the BC's office just down the hall?"
BC was retiring. Gentle teddy bear of a man, anyone could walk in and ask, "So how 'bout them Yankees?" And be invited in eagerly, "Come in, come in, how's everything going?" Never saw him get mad before.
We. Could. Hear. Him. From. The. End. Of. The. Bldg!
Which is how I know that LT was BORN the year CSM enlisted!! LMAO!
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Stationed in Alaska from '94-'97 as part of 4/9, 6th ID. I was working in the "S" shop for a while. One day, our CSM was trying to explain something, I honestly don't know what as up to this point it was a quiet conversation. The butterbar started screaming at the CSM that he had better get to the position of attention if he was going to speak to an officer. At this point, the entire building stopped breathing, and waited to see what our CSM was going to do. He snapped to attention, begged pardon from the butterbar, and just stood there looking at the wall behind this kid. When the O1 was done with his tirade, he had this smirk on his face and went about his business. Meanwhile, our CSM marched up to the Battalion Commanders office, and shut the door. 2 minutes later, we hear "He F***ing did what!?!?!? Get Lt. Cantrememberhisname in my office NOW!"
When the O1 entered his office, we all heard "Get into the position of attention! Sargent Major, please close the door." Thunk went the door. However, for the next 2ish plus hours, we heard yelling, and what I would have sworn was a first rate smoking session. As far as I know, that O1 never ever tried to do something like that again...
When the O1 entered his office, we all heard "Get into the position of attention! Sargent Major, please close the door." Thunk went the door. However, for the next 2ish plus hours, we heard yelling, and what I would have sworn was a first rate smoking session. As far as I know, that O1 never ever tried to do something like that again...
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