Posted on Sep 13, 2016
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If a fresh 2LT/ENS ordered an E9 to attention because of a disagreement, would the E9 have to comply? What would possibly happen?
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COL Bill McFarland
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The premise here is nonsense. These senior NCOs work directly for senior officers and under the cover of those officers' authority. I know of no organization where an E-8 or above reports to an O-1. Everyone must understand their place in the organization. As a 2LT, I treated these senior NCOs with a great deal of respect and genuinely deferred to their experience. I think their assistance and insights were key. I also cannot remember ever seeing a senior NCO not beating any company grade officers to a salute or other formal sign of respect. I think they had a sixth sense or radar for avoiding the issue so they could focus on the job at hand. Lastly, I remember junior NCOs in places like PX parking lots with arms full and toddlers who would make a nod or other reasonable effort. Common sense, folks, right?
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1SG Charles Simpson
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By the book, the E9 is required to obey the orders of commissioned officers but I believe the circumstances at the time would dictate whether it should be expected that the E9 would obey. I probably would not comply because I would be laughing too hard.
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SGT Bill DuRose
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I would want believe the 01 would have more respect than to do something so foolish.
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Sgt Frank Sleeper
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Oh hell with E9. I had a Butterbar "attempt" to humiliate me (Sgt USMC) at the time near a formation for complete BS. A quick trip by the "Top" (Master Guns) and the little puppy learned appropriate respect for his troops and especially NCOs who are keeping his dumb ass slice and training him
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SPC Erik Frame
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I've seen this before with a MSG with Delta Force under his belt. Both had a disagreement with the string order on a airborne jump. After the bickering the MSG finally said," Sir, I've got more confirmed kills than you got college credits, so we are doing this my way!"
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SPC Rodger Johnson
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If he were as professional as all I ever knew in my 11 years in both National Guard and active he would politely comply while smirking the whole time and then when meeting with the battalion commander for their usual afternoon drink the Lts name would be mentioned and the boys CO would get a call and the next time that college boy saw CSM he would just nod and wish the Sergeant Major a good day then carry on about his business.
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PO2 Eric Vorlage
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Yes.we are taught to respect the rank...not the man (or woman).
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SrA Command & Control Battle Management Ops
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Age or rank should not be the sole determining factor whether or not you address another service member as sir. I may just be a lowly little Senior Airmen in the Air Force, but I address everyone either by sir or their name and rank. Obviously because most people out rank me, but I even render the same courtesies to the airmen below me. All the same with standing for anyone who talks to me. It's about professionalism.
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CPO Dempsey Faulkner
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The O1 would not be happy or have a ass to sit on
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LT James Fox
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When I was an E5, I was on a ship and we were going through OPPE (Operational Propulsion Plant Examination) where they test the engineering plant on the ship. While on watch during the examination we had an issue and the ship went in the dark. I was controlling the speed of the ship and our engineering officer of the watch (EOOW) was a Master Chief (E9). After we got the ship back up answering bells the head of the inspection team came up and chewed out the EOOW for not following proper protocol and giving directions to the watch standers. We all knew our jobs and worked like a well oil machine. He stood there facing this officer, who was a Captain, full bird, O6, clenched his fists at his side and said, "With all due respect sir, get the hell out of my space." The Captain left. A little while later the Captain came down and apologized to the Master Chief in front of everyone. He was a great E9 and someone I looked up to with great respect. When I received my commission I never ever talked to any E7 and above without due respect nor did I embarrass them in front of others by talking down to them or making them stand at attention. I guess with 17 yrs enlisted experience you understand that sort of thing. LOL
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