Posted on Sep 13, 2016
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If a fresh 2LT/ENS ordered an E9 to attention because of a disagreement, would the E9 have to comply? What would possibly happen?
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LCpl Julian Acciard
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Does he have to comply with a lawful order yes, but should he, no the disagreement in a nonprofessional manner taints the officer's judgement and ability to give orders to that CSM.
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SGT Steffen Siegrist
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It would be a show.
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SGM Edward Sullivan
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I would of course come to attention as ordered, let the young officer spout whatever it was that was so darned important, then I would tell said young officer to report to the Commanders Office to explain to him/her as to why he/she had the audacity to brace the Commanders SGM. IF said officer ignored me, that would be fine also, because said officer would be hard pressed NOT to respond to an ORDER to report to the Commander. Luckily I NEVER was faced with this extraordinarily ill thought out exercise of stupidity. Most MP Officers are smart enough to NEVER do this.
In my Battalion, after their initial brief by the XO, new, young officers were told to report to the SGM for further briefing. After calming them down and telling them they needn't stand a Parade Rest, I had them sit in one of the comfortable chairs and I would explain how they fit into the Battalion, an overview of the Senior NCOs in their Unit, and then a more in depth view of their PSG. After this briefing, these young Officers were NEVER afraid to ask for my advice and I gave it as best as I could for the situation the Officer had.
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SSG Cannon Crew Member
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Yes
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SN Boatswain's Mate
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Personally my Grandfather was an E-9 Radioman now (Electronic technician) at the time when he served and he told me stories. Anytime an O-1 - O-3 wants to command respect but not have the time in you better watch how you address them cause it doesnt matter if your superior if you dont kniw what your talking about. (I have personally never seen a situation like this in person)
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MSG Steve Fultz
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Come to attention
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SFC Retired
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Ones an enlisted, ones an officer...not much debate..... BUT, no one ever said 2LTs had common sense( especially a West Pointer).
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Cpl Johnboymurdock .
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I saw this happen once. Butter bar in camies, SgtMaj is Alphas. Walking in and out of a building at the same time. Over no salute. SgtMaj refused and in his demonic "go fuck yourself voice" responded with if you want a salute climb my rockers and get it. And walked inside
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PO2 Bill Kanellis
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yes
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PO3 Tammy Gibson
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I will obey all orders, so yes
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Michael Killingstad
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My father was a SGM and said he never called a lt, sir.
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CDR Thomas Townsend
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Yes, the 01 while new to the military is still senior to the E9
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PO3 David Fancher
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Yes of course, the E9 is still Enlisted, however their might be a problem with a ASS chewing from a CO to the 01 later! LOL!!!
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SSG Gary Dilworth
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Yes, out of respect for the officer rank. Hopefully the LT would have the brains and proper training to avoid such situations.
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Cpl Mark Stroker Burnett
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Yes, but the 2lt would lose in the long run
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A1C Ted Davidson
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yes, chain of command
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SPC Mike Donovan
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Yes
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SFC Michael Dillon
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I've seen it happen and it's funny, but usually the "LT" is corrected later
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LCpl Wesley Piner
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Depending on situation is how e9 would act but it wouldn't end there
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SPC Wanda Vergara-Yates
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Sgt Jason Shaw I was going to speak up, but decided to see if it had already been addressed.
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