Would an E9 comply if ordered to attention by an O1?

I had a young LT in Afghanistan get stopped by a CSM asking him where is protective eye wear was, LT informed the CSM he did not wear them, and started on his way, unfortunately for LT the CSM was traveling with a LTC who came around the corner and told LT that he needed to unf**k himself right away and get some eye protection. When the LT came into my office and told me to make sure he was unf**k in the morning because he did not want another run it with the CSM.

Never in counter that situation. My officers were trained properly. Most would say " As you were......."

I would at the time if young troops were around. But behind closed doors that O1 would get slaughtered.

Yes. Does it happen? There are many variables to ensure it does not happen. But every good leader is a good follower. One thing I've done since I was a SGT was developed a relationship with my LT. They were a part of our team and he/she was our leader. They established trust and respect for me and my work, and confided in me as appropriate regarding military issues. Moving forward as a PSG/ 1SG, I did the same thing and met with my LTs. They obviously respected my rank and after time, the intent was to respect me as a person and vice versa. I mentored them because I knew I somehow had a role molding this young officer. I wanted them to succeed because I wanted all my Soldiers to succeed. I was only "locked up" once in my military career as a foolish SPC. But other then that- it won't happen. I know my role and a as a leader, we also have to follow giving mentorship and praise both publicly and in private. Hooah!

If he is a professional, he will. I recall as a young lieutenant getting a ration of you know what from a CW4. I respectfully reminded him that my commission was signed by the POTUS and that his was signed by the Sec Army. I further told him that as a novice, all helpful advice is welcome but that our individual positions in the military hierarchy must be respected, recognized and for the sake of unit cohesion, must be shared with those in lower grades than ours. To his credit he said, Well said. I think we can work together. We became very close and he taught me a ton. He and my first assignment 1st Sgt guided me through a lot. I remember when I was commissioned and went to my first posting. Arrived on a Friday and the CO told me to get squared away and meet on the parade field the next day. At the parade field, he introduced me to my platoon SGT, a ton of rows of ribbons with a blue one with five stars on top. He saluted me and said, "Lead me sir". I said, "SGT, Your job is to stay one step to my left and one step to my rear. When you see me doing something wrong or stupid, yell GAS. He leaned over and said, "Sir, we's gonna get along just fine. He was the best thing that happened to me. He taught me so much while staying in the background with off line discussions afterward. I was so lucky.

Would of come to attention, not because the youngster had earned the respect, but the rank earned it. Than after the Lt was done talking would either let him have it in the traditional military style either on the spot, or if others were present in private. Senior NCO' s have long learned how to correct and direct a junior offices without disgracing either themselves or the officer.

When I was in the navy, around 2012, I read a masting report where a Master Chief got masted (NJP) for insubordination, and Article 92. This happened at NNTPC when I was a booster with recruities. He didn't salute an Ensign and got told to halt and ordered to salute. He then said he had more respect for his pen before ignoring the order to salute. I forget if it was public or not, but Cpt Faus was very mast happy.

Let's get real! There are going to be rare occasions where it is both right and proper for a Second Lieutenant to order an E9 to attention. All this posturing about boys and youth directly detracts from the chain of command. When I was a Lieutenant I assumed complete responsibility for every order I ever gave, even those that resulted in the loss of my soldiers in combat. So if I jacked you up, then you deserved it, and I'd accept the consequences. This glorification of E9's on RallyPoint is great respect, until you realize a certain percentage don't deserve it. Google "Sergeant Major" and "criminal charges" and read and weep. You will find Command Sergeants Major of the Army in your results, along with the actual clown in Generation Kill who went to jail for child abuse. My apologies to the good Sergeants Major I served with, but to the man, they'd respect the Lieutenant. Besides, this ordering to attention is pretty damn rare. Treat the chain of command (up and down) with respect and you'll do well. I can't remember ever needing to jack a soldier to attention.

As the official hierarchy dictates, and in the presence of junior personnel, yes, as to avoid the perception of undermining appointed authority. But once the kiddies have dispersed, stand by for heavy rolls, Ensign!

My favorite story regarding this situation goes like this...

When I was a young Specialist in Germany in the early 90's I was serving On Staff duty one day. I was out in front of the building taking a smoke break and our very grizzled but soldier friendly CSM joined me to smoke and chat as he usually did with other soldiers. I noticed a an angry young LT approaching from behind the CSM and he started yelling at us about smoking and BSing in front of HQS and demanded we drop and push. I looked at the CSM who half sneered and half smiled, kept his cigarette tight in in his mouth and dropped and started pushing. Of course I crushed out mine and pushed too. The LT continued to yell and scream at the CSM because he was still smoking while getting smoked (of course the LT thought he was barking at just another soldier). Then the CSM slowly rose, turned to look at the LT and blew a huge cloud of smoke into is wide eyed and terrified face. The CSM flung his cigarette on the ground and said that he had and appointment with the Colonel. He turned, went up the steps and gently beckoned me with him as he went into HQS. I quickly returned to the duty desk, but not two minutes later, the Colonel came storming out of his office, and ran out the door. I'm not sure what went down but all I know is that when I made my way to how that evening, I saw that LT standing at attention at the flagpole with a stack of FM's in one hand.

It doesn't pay to piss off the CSM and the commander's best friend.

I don't think a properly trained O1 would even consider doing this and on the flipside, a truly professional E9 would never put his or her self in that situation.

I'd just want to stand back and watch the repercussions.

The regulation is clear on this topic. That being said, a CSM should NEVER be in a situation where a LT felt the need to assert his authority.

Tough call. Most E-9's answer directly to the commander and most butter bars would know better but the rank stucture is the rank structure. ..

Yes Lt out ranks a E9

Yes

I would because no one is more professional than I. But as a Leader there are professional ways to fix this misguided LT. Narrow is the path and few our on it.

Most definately......a 2lt is a commissioned officer and an sgt/major is an enlisted man. .....protocol and regulations dictate saluting and respect of sn officer.....

The soldier would comply with a law order. End of discussion.

I have seen a similiar incident of this.
It was back in about 92 on an ASR. Don't remember if it was a Ensign or a LTJG but he was trying to tell a 28 year MC how to do his job. It didn't go very well as the MC chewed up the poor kid and spit him out.