Posted on Sep 13, 2016
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If a fresh 2LT/ENS ordered an E9 to attention because of a disagreement, would the E9 have to comply? What would possibly happen?
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CPT Bruce Cantie
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As a young O1 many years ago, I could only laugh at a fellow 2LT that thought they would set the world on fire. I, however, being the son of an E8 knew what they did not. "Eyes Open, Mouth Shut". Listen to your PSG, he knows a hell of a lot more than you, learn from him, and stay the hell out of his way. And never, EVER ask one of your troops to do something you are not willing to do yourself. I got right in there and worked along side them, doing their job with them, so I knew what they were going through. My masters degree don't mean shit in the field.
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SSgt Carl Malone
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Had to deal with a 2Lt overseas who replaced my E8. The guy had no idea what the hell he was doing and was eventually reassigned somewhere else. Sending a greenhorn from the academy isn't any different from sending a greenhorn fresh from the streets.
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SGT Enrique Reyes
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I saw an 01 tell an E7 what to do once. Needless to say it was the last time too. I can only imagine what would happen if an 01 even dared to speak out to an E9...better dig a hole!
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CPL Geza Geisz
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Yes but, I wouldn't want to be that 2nd Lt stationed very long with him. I was a Cpl in Nam and I didn’t listen to anyone.
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CPL Indirect Fire Infantryman (Mortarman)
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Adam Burfitt I figured you'd like this
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SSG Richard Roark
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Yes, then he'd let his O5 or O6 explain to the O1 the error of his ways. I was a TAC at Arty OCS in 1971, I never let a candidate that stupid graduate, ROTC is a totally different environment. I've held the hands of puppies from USC, VMI, and the Citadel, no idiots there, at least thru the mid 80s.
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SPC Infantryman
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Hell no
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SPC Infantryman
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Sit back and watch the destruction
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SSG Tom Pike
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My uncle used to tell a great story about his time in the air force. My uncle went through basic, graduated tech school top of his class and they made him in instructor as an E-2. First morning as an instructor he walked into the instructors lounge area to get some coffee. A young butter bar walked up in front of him to get a cup and the pot was empty. The 2lt shouts out "I want the lowest ranking man in this office to make a pot of coffee!" My uncle started to move towards the coffee pot as the old E-8 in the corner shouts out "Sir, there is nothing on this earth lower than a second lieutenant." The Lt made the coffee.

To answer the original question, yes an E-9 has to render proper respect to all commissioned officers, even an O-1. But any O-1 that doesn't respect the value of a senior non commissioned officer failed to listen in his OCS/ROTC classes.
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SSgt Conlee James
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Once as an E-3 I was recovering an aircrft upon its return from a mission. The 2Lt stepped out of his aircraft and I rendered the customary salute and took his bag. He then began to tell me that his piddle bag had ruptured in the cockpit during the mission and that I needed to clean the cockpit. I politely explained to him that the jet was the responsibility of the maintainer and that the ruptired piddle bag was a bio hazard and asked him if he would mind taking care of it. He then proceeded to call me to attention and explain that it was now my responsibility then quickly turned and left me his mess. After he left the spot my flightline expiditer an E-7 asked me what had happened. I explained what had happened and he rold me not to clean it. In approximately 15 min the O-1 returned accompanied by a O-6 who then had the Lt clean the cockpit and appologized for the Lt's behavior.
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PO3 Air Traffic Controller
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I'm here to read the comments but it is a given that an E9 would destroy a young O1 officer with no prior enlisted experience. An O1 that was prior enlisted depending on the rank he got up to prior would know better than to try a charade like that or would be able to match him if they were that rank prior (even still a situation like that would be handled differently amongst chiefs)
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SPC Max Simon
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When I served we showed recept for the rank and position the Lt holds. The only time we didn't saulate an officer was in a battle zone
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SGT Petroleum Supply Specialist
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If i saw this happen, my butt would pucker for the fate of the 01.
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Sgt Motor Vehicle Operator
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Supposed to yes. Would he... Most likely not. I think about it when they do as a SGT. Haha
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SPC Power Generation Equipment Repairer
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Sure, but does that Lt realizes his soul is about to be completely and utterly crushed?
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PO1 Rbarreto372 .
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Yes
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SSG Infantryman
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No
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PV2 Steven Ball
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Yes, the E9 would have to follow the order. However, at the end of the day the LT. Would be in charge of removing shit stains from the underware of privates after they complete 1st combat readiness drills
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SPC Infantryman
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Technically they have to especially if they are in front of others
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SSG Jason Letterman
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Unfortunately the SGM would have to comply with the butter bar however shortly after I would expect the 3 the 5 and the 6 would be smoking the shit of the Lt unless there is something else going on
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