Posted on Sep 13, 2016
Would an E9 comply if ordered to attention by an O1?
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Silly Question, no O1 would ever try that... if they did the nearest Officer would immediately take them by the arm and escort them to a quiet location to explain the Career Suicide they were committing. This would not happen, the only way it would possibly happen is in private between a E9 and a Mustang who was a Master Chief prior and then it would be a one in a million thing..... Not gonna happen period.
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Technically, yes. As to what could happen, many things -- the best possible outcome would be a freshly educated junior officer with an abundant supply of humility for use in dealings with senior NCOs. I'm not sure what the worst possible outcome could be, because there is always the potential death-spiral of both soldiers deciding that they would not back down. I am fairly sure that the final outcome would be rougher on the LT's ego than the Sergeant Major's..
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One should respect the rank, always, and not necessarily the person. That respect goes both ways. The E9 should show respect to the O1 so as to never have to be locked up by said O1. Just as the O1 should respect the E9 and realize that the E9 has more knowledge and experience in his little finger than does the O1 and that it would be a huge mistake and detrimental to his career to lock up a senior enlisted officer.
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That's where people get it confused. Rank is to be obeyed, not respected. It is the person wearing the rank, and how they conduct themselves, that earns respect.
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1LT William Clardy
SPC Daniel Joslin and SSG (Join to see), one very important, albeit subtle, consideration on the issue of respect is that you should always default to respecting the person you are dealing with unless they prove themselves unworthy of that respect. If you go into a conversation treating somebody like an idiot, you can bet paychecks the outcome will be unpleasant at best. On the other hand, if you start every discussion believing that folks are generally respectable (and act accordingly), you may be surprised at how much even the sloths will try to live up to that unstated belief.
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1LT William Clardy - Oh, absolutely. I'm the type of person who respects everyone I come across until I have a valid reason not to.
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Not on this planet. You just do not disrespect that rank.
That reminds me of a story when I was in Germany and there was a bunch of E8s on my E5 five board selling gas coupons.
However, once, in a combat scenario, (me being a 1LT w/ 19 years, let my 1SG and Company CMDr know, in no uncertain terms, that the medical operations would run exactly as I wanted them to, that I did not work for them, and that although attached I am a battalion asset. Of course that was behind closed doors. We got along just fine.
That reminds me of a story when I was in Germany and there was a bunch of E8s on my E5 five board selling gas coupons.
However, once, in a combat scenario, (me being a 1LT w/ 19 years, let my 1SG and Company CMDr know, in no uncertain terms, that the medical operations would run exactly as I wanted them to, that I did not work for them, and that although attached I am a battalion asset. Of course that was behind closed doors. We got along just fine.
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That 2LT can try it, I'm sure it wont end well for him/her and most likely will never do it again.
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If my 0-1 or 0-2 disrespected my 1SG or SGM, that Lt would be moping floors and taking orders from privates. Do not fuck with my Top ncos. That being said, respect goes a very long way.
Just don’t be the new Lt disrespecting top Ncos.
No go
Just don’t be the new Lt disrespecting top Ncos.
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Where I was a butter bar, most of my fellow lieutenants knew better than to show disrespect to a SGM. Except one.
This ‘brain surgeon’ complained that the gates of the motor pool weren’t opened wide enough for him to drive his POV through.
The E9 present said, “Sir, you could drive a fucking deuce and a half though that gate!”
And the LT responded “I’m a Lieutenant and you’re only a serg...”
He never got a chance to finish the sentence. I’ve never heard the word ‘fuck’ and the word ‘sir’ used in conjunction with one another as I had then.
This ‘brain surgeon’ complained that the gates of the motor pool weren’t opened wide enough for him to drive his POV through.
The E9 present said, “Sir, you could drive a fucking deuce and a half though that gate!”
And the LT responded “I’m a Lieutenant and you’re only a serg...”
He never got a chance to finish the sentence. I’ve never heard the word ‘fuck’ and the word ‘sir’ used in conjunction with one another as I had then.
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