Would an E9 comply if ordered to attention by an O1?

I had a similar thing happen to me but it was a cadet trying to get me to go to attention and salute her while in airborne school and in the training area no less oh and I had already received my wings while she was still waiting to start training don't know if the story warrants further mentioning as this question is in reference to O-1's calling out E-9's.

Yes, and then rip his ass in private

The little butter bars better ready themselves for an ass beating!

In the late 70's I saw a CPT tell the division CSM to come to attention as the CSM was chewing on his 1SG after having the MP's called to their company Christmas party three times. It didn't end well for the CPT.

The O-1 is still an officer, so the E-9 would be compelled to obey his order. One thing I learned in the Navy is that you respect and salute the uniform, not necessarily the person wearing said uniform. Were junior enlisted to see the E-9 disregarding the O-1's order(s), a bad example would be set. Were this not to happen in front of other military members, a different outcome would most likely occur, but the O-1 is still an officer and the E-9 is still enlisted, so respect should still be rendered to the uniform, if nothing else.

That would be career suicide for the O-1, and would be commented on in his fitness report with great prejudice. However, I have always advised newly commissioned and junior officers that they are in charge and ultimately responsible. More than one officer has had his career ruined by not holding senior enlisted, including the E-9s, accountable, and when something goes wrong on your watch because of a drunk, an abusive individual, a dishonest or thieving individual, or a sexual harasser, make no mistake about it, the CO is going to hang you too. Do not be afraid to pull senior enlisted aside and give them clear expectations when you see something going on that you know isn't right. And do not EVER neglect your responsibility to document an individual's shortcomings in a performance evaluation.

I was a Corpsman (E3). One night working in the Medical Surgical ward, I had a patient began to come, VT. So I yelled to my nurse to call the code and I would rush the crash cart to the Bed Side. Of course LTJG bla Bla got upset and tried to put me in my place also claiming my patient was DNR. I repeatedly told him he was in fact NOT A DNR (do not resuscitate) so I told him to check his nursing notes and meet me at the bedside when he is ready to save his patients life. Needless to say he almost got sent to the record department for not responding correctly. Point being watch each other's backs both enlisted and officer alike. Yes we answer to officers but we have so much to offer as enlisted.

Had a 2d LT lock our 1SG up for something stupid.

2d LT spent the next few hours in the commander's office after he caught wind of it. Came out soaked in sweat.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

In front of the troops, yes. He has to set the example.

But the instant it's no longer in front of junior enlisteds and VERY junior NCOs, poor butter bar's going to get his shinies all corroded by the language he's gonna hear...and if he goes running to the railroad tracks or bird...well, when he's done blushing over being laughed out of the CO's office, he'll have got the point.

Slap the butter bar right in his face !

Of course, the E-9 would come to attention.

I've seen this happen personally...the CSM was absolutely professional and complied then later in the day the Battalion Commander fully informed the young Lieutenant on the true food chain of the Army.

I have to agree I would like to be a fly on the wall behind the closed door meeting.

Yes, the Senior NCO would comply, IAW rules & regulations, not to mention NCO professional decorum.
But, the young lieutenant's military career would hit a wall!!

Yes he would have to comply to the direct order from a superior officer.

Of course he would. But that butter bar needs to be looking over his shoulder. One of the worst chewings I ever had was by my company First Sergeant when I was the company XO. He did it without raising his voice and with total respect. If young officers don't appreciate the wisdom of senior NCOs, their careers will be woefully short.

technically yes for the E9 is outranked by the young lt - it sucks but that's our military. I disagree with the fact that a 50 year old E9 who has 25 years in the military has to salute and take orders from a 19 or 20 year old 2nd LT who has been in the army 1 year if that. That's our military though. They have no experience, yes one day they will and I feel that the young officers should respect the SR NCOs enough in such a way as to not put them in such a position - it's not right at all.

1 MEF Ball 07. I'm in the Band and we had just finished setting up, so I walked outside for a smoke before a 2 hour jazz combo set. Saw a SGTMAJ helping his wife out the car as a 1LT went by. SGTMAJ sees him and acknowledges him. Officer gets huffy and says " SGTMAJ I didn't catch that salute." The SGTMAJ stops, looks at him and says: "Climb up my chevrons and get it. " I laughed and got yelled at by both. Great night .

We had a weak platoon leader bring our Div CSM into our training area and I yelled out "At East!!" The CSM walked up to me, shook my hand and smiled. The 2LT said to me; "for your information SGT, a 2LT out ranks a CSM." I responded with; "well sir, once you are SF, Master Blaster, CIB and silver star owner, I will show you that same respect." He just looked at me with that "deer in the headlight" look and walked off.

Diamonds are trump 1SG, and there are only 2 soldiers in the Army that wear stars..Generals and Sergeant Majors.

Sure just because he is an officer. But I'm sure most 01 would have enough respect for E9 to not

Yes

Whats the "boy" gonna do? Cant do a damn thing to the E9.

Short answer Yes. But the Lt./ENS has a lesson to learn when he does. Its not going to be pretty.

Officers are considered higher ranking than enlisted. No matter the officers rank.

I remember an old Chief of mine, who looked at the young Ensign and said to him "You know Ensign, and I'm going to call you Ensign, when I was a boy....about your age...I was taught to respect my elders..so I'm going to call you Ensign, and you can call me Sir!"

As for my own interactions, well I played rugby for some military sides and for a well known local civilian club, and I remember coming off the pitch after a match with my Division Officer/LT saying to me "Good match Chief, please remind me to never, ever piss you off!"

A good E-9 would comply but take it offline to resolve because someone who has reached E-9 has done it using common sense, finesse and great leadership. For that matter, I am eternally grateful to the SNCO who saw potential in me and became an advocate to refining my leadership instead of a adversarial hindrance. His years of experience became a stepping stone to who I am as a Lt Col and I will forever be grateful to his gruff, honest assessments. I am also grateful to the NCOs that became team players even when I stumbled because they knew I still had their backs. I have worked with some amazing NCOs.

My Dad was Navy. He regaled me once with a tale of a Lieutenant J.G who took it upon himself to dress down a Senior Chief for some percoeved infraction. Infront of junior enlisted like my Dad no less. In the midst of this, the XO who had known and served alongside said chief since antiquity likely predating the LTJG's conception. The XO leaned against a bulkhead and watched silently while the young officer continued his tirade, the Chief dutifully at attention. When the younger officer finished, still oblivious to the Commander's presence in the room, the XO spoke up finally, not to the LTJG, but to the Senior, their exchange somewhere along the lines of, "Hey Frank." "Hey Bill." The XO then told the LTJG to step out with him, not wanting to repeat the impropriety the younger officer had just committed by berating a subordinate in front of lower enlisted men. But when the Liuentenant sullenly shuffled across the flight deck to the next supply helicopter, kicked off the ship and bound for parts unknown (it was presumed Antartica), no one wondered why. The Senior Chief never lost his cool because he never had to. He didn't need the respect of the LTJG because he had the respect of someone who actually mattered.

The CSM would comply. that is protocol. I am sure that LT would never again make that mistake. I never seen it happen. But I know as a 1SG, I would come to attention but shortly afterward, the demons of hell would be loose in the closed door office of the commander

Yrs

lol I have seen something similar
It was a cmsgt and a new LT Oh man it was fun

I wish anyone less than an LTC woulda called my first Chief out #S/OChief...he would have honored it in the moment and then set everything straight

My personal opinion is that we should get rid of that potential conflict by combining the top 3 enlisted ranks with the bottom 2 officer ranks. Promotion from E6 should be an O1, and make the academies a shortcut.

Yes. Article 15

Hahahaha, this brings back memories...DRB Qualification March, brand new butterbar shows up with a fully loaded mountain ruck. SoB must have weighed 100 lbs. Platoon Sgt. calls the LT to the side and tries to explain that the ruck only has to weigh 20 lbs (every single enlisted man has EXACTLY 20 lbs. in their ruck) for qualification. LT basically tells the Platoon Sgt. to fuck off and mind his own business.

By the end of the march, LTs ruck "might" have weighed 20 lbs., but our rucks were definitely over. LT never questioned the Platoon Sgt. again.

Yeah, they warn us against that at OBC, or BOLC or what ever latest TRADOC Acronym they have come with. As our Team CPT put. You might outrank that E-9, but I promise you he works for someone that massively outranks you. Most E-9s I knew, would not have violated any kind of UCMJ in any overt sense, but I know that their BDE S-3, BN CDR, BDE CDR or who ever their officer counterpart is would know about it in a hurry, and then there would be a world of hurt on that young LT. I watched an LT who was to be my replacement as I as moving out of my PL slot try to hem up the 3rd ARC CSM for not saluting her, but it was a very stupid thing to do for several reasons. 1) We were on FOB Marez in 2007, Saluting was kind of low on everyone's priority. 2) he had his back partially turned to us. 3) he was clearly engaged in some type of professional development with 3 1SGs and a MSG. We walked past, almost into the DFAC, when she turned. I tried to stop her, but it was too late. She asked why the CSM hadn't called the group to attention to salute, so he did. When we got back to the CO CP, the BDE CDR was waiting. I was not going to take that HEAT round, and found I had pressing business with the CO XO in his office. They had to find another replacement for me.

The E-9 would because the O-1 is an officer. I'm sure a discussion would follow, but yes, the E-9 would comply.

When I was a private stationed in HHC 44th Engineer Company, Camp Howze Korea, I was in the hallway of the Company area one day when a 2LT was performing sensitive items inventory with a soldier that was placed there to physically assist him. The soldiers Squad Leader walked in and asked how everything was going and how much time it would take before they completed the task. The 2LT said, " He'll be done when where're done Sergeant"! The sergeant said, "Sir, I was just asking when he would be done"! Long story short this escalated into an argument. The First Sergeant walked up with a smile on his face after hearing the exchange between the two and told the Sergeant to go back to his prior place of duty and he would handle the situation. Before the First Sergeant could say anything the 2LT in front of everyone said, "First Sergeant your jacked up for allowing an enlisted to question me" in addition the 2LT said that First Sergeant shouldn't question him when he's conducting business. This 2LT was known around the unit for being very aggressive and cocky. The First Sergeant calmly informed all the soldiers including myself to leave the company area. We where standing outside the building, but you could still hear what was said. The First Sergeant exploded and said "I'm the Goddam First Sergeant of this Company Lieutenant, if I want to come in and question any soldiers status that's what the fuck I'm going to do, including you". Now get the fuck out of my office, because you look like a jackass chewing barbed wire"!!! A few seconds later the First Sergeant walked off and we all walked back in. The 2LT said, what did I say wrong? and a private responded and said, "Sir, you did get smart with him with your comments". The 2LT had a shell shocked look on his face and surprisingly, the cockiness left him that day, lol!

Any O1 stupid enough to lock the herls of an E9 doesn’t deserve to be an officer

The one time I saw a 2LT call a CSM to attention, a Full Bird came out of nowhere and ripped that 2LT a new one.