Posted on Jan 1, 2019
Christy C
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Hello, I am a military wife and I have always wanted to serve myself. I have enlisted before but did not get to go to basic due to an ACL tear before I left. I had to get out soon after because of how long I was instructed to wear the knee brace, then I had kids, and now I would like to try to get back in and serve. My question is, would it be better for me to join and ship off to basic, or go through ROTC? I am not in shape right now to pass a PT test, but definitely will be assuming I can get in and get started. Pros and cons either way would help. Thank you in advance.
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MAJ Fred Peterman
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Remember, the military will put the military FIRST! Before EVERYTHING! Kids, marriage, co-habitation, EVERYTHING.
Think VERY, VERY, VERY CAREFULLY.
Bee there, done that!
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Christy C
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Oh, yes, I’ve experienced this on the spouse side. We just have to roll with the punches. I’m sure it is much more frustrating on the other side of it.
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MAJ Fred Peterman
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Used to fly for the Air Force Reserve. Not a one weekend a month. Sometimes 2 sometimes 3. I understood this. My girlfriend didn't . I would disappear. She had no idea. Sometimes the aircraft was late arriving back. She sat in the parking lot and waited. No word. Sometimes we were diverted. Due to weather or mechanical difficulties She waited. Did we crash? We weren't married. She wasn't my next of kin. She waited. She got pregnant and had my child, but still wasn't my next of kin. She waited. And waited.
She was(in retrospect) very patient. She got pregnant a second time. I was scheduled to go to Germany for 2 weeks. She was scheduled to have our child
SHE SAID NO! The family came first and she didn't sign up for this xxxx! If I went to Germany, she wouldn't be there when I got back.
I went inactive. The squadron commander wasn't surprised.
THE MISSION DOESN'T ALWAYS COME FIRST!
In the Guard , years later, I remembered this when counseling about attendance. SOMETIMES THESE DECISIONS SUCK!
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1LT(P) Quartermaster Officer
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Get in shape, go through BCT, then do an SMP scholarship.
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I went to RSP and to basic one month later. I was at the threshold of the weight and tape limit. I couldn’t pass a pt test until a few in to basic. I steadily got better and better in basic and lost close to 35lbs at the end of infantry osut training. There were struggle points considering I had a new born son just two weeks before I shipped out. I spend every day with him now. If you have the will and dedication to getting in and passing all the exams at MEPS, you should do it sooner than later. It all depends on which route you want to go
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Oo man. Bringing up reception. I was at 30th AG for 11 days. Wonder if that girl went back at a later date1LT(P) (Join to see)
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SPC (Join to see) I actually have no idea if she ever got a chance to do BCT again. I hope so
She was absolutely devastated to be recycled. This was 7 years ago, so who knows. She was pretty physically fit, she probably would have made a good Soldier.
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Unfortunately, from my experience, sometimes we have a habit of booting people that would make excellent Soldiers for trivial reasons, but keeping crap bags who slide through IET by manipulation and exception.
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It’s very unfortunate. There’s a lot who that’s what they want to do serve their country or follow the footsteps of family members. The people who slide through that are sh*t bags cause problems. Those who want to do it and aren’t hard headed people, that get the boot over trivial reasons, isn’t cool in my opinion. 1LT(P) (Join to see)
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Would it be better for me to join and ship off to basic, or go through ROTC?
COL Jon Thompson
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As a ROO with an ROTC program, here is my take: First of all, the medical fitness standards for both enlisting and contracting with ROTC are the same. So for either option, you would have to be medically qualified which may require a waiver for your ACL tear. Probably not a big deal if it happened a while ago and does not affect your performance. If you do decide to enlist, you are signing a contract right away and will ship when you have your slot. That would require you to be gone for several months due to basic and AIT. With ROTC, you can do the first two years of classes without having to make the commitment. Of course, that depends on how long it will take you to graduate. To go into the 3rd year (MSIII year) you have to meet the qualifications and sign an ROTC contract. This would require you to pass the Army Physical Fitness Test and soon the Army Combat Fitness Test. A good thing about ROTC is that you can do PT and fully participate without making that commitment. So that would help you get in shape. The other requirements for ROTC include being a full-time student (12 credits/semester), academic qualifications, medical qualification, and a dependent waiver since your spouse is in the military. Besides training during the semester, your one mandatory training camp is ROTC Advanced Camp which usually takes place after your junior year of college (ROTC also has 2 year Masters Program). Other time requirements include on field training exercise per semester, a weekly leadership lab which ties in with your Military Science class, and the actual Military Science class. At graduation, you would receive your commission in the regular Army or one of the reserve components. After graduation and commissioning, you would depart for your Basic Officer Leader Course which is specific to your officer branch. That would be 4-5 months away from home. So regardless of whether your enlist or commission, you will be away from home for quite a while. The biggest advantage of ROTC is you get to try it before making the decision and also after commissioning, there is a significant pay differential. The other significant difference is in the responsibilities that you have as an officer vs. a junior enlisted. That alone discourages some people from pursuing the officer track. If you have any questions about how ROTC works, feel free to message me directly. Good luck with your decision.
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Christy C
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Thank you! Very informative. My main concern is making money to help my husband support the kids. I’ve always wanted to join, and it’s the only thing I’ve known for a fact that I want to do, but the kids and child care have been a concern. My husband says he will figure it out and I just need to worry about getting in and get my job done. I would love an AGR job and I would be set.
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COL Jon Thompson
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If AGR is your goal, going the officer route might be a more likely way to get that done. It depends on each state but I have not seen any junior enlisted AGR Soldiers but have seen junior officers in AGR billets. Again as an officer, you can plan on being away for 4-5 months for BOLC after you graduate. It sounds like you would need a family care plan as well so make sure both of you really work together. Good luck.
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SFC Retention Operations Nco
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There are a LOT of routes, both Active duty and reserve component for both options. It's really a matter of what your needs and goals are. That question is as broad as, "What vehicle should I buy or lease?"
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MAJ Contracting Officer
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I'd always recommend Basic then ROTC, especially with the reserve option, basically enlist in the reserves get your PT up to par and start your time in service clock. Do the Simultaneous Membership Program (ROTC and Reserves) then commission active duty. You'll get much more money for college and commission with several years in service, meaning much higher pay for the rest of your career due to the experience and knowledge gained in your enlisted service.
Good luck, also dual military is a stressful and hard life (rewarding but hard)
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MAJ Senior Signal Oc
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20 years ago I went through a similar situation. I had started college and wanted to go to BCT and continue my service, so I joined the reserves. After finishing my associate's, I found a good ROTC program and did the Simultaneous Membership Program (SMP). Personally I think the benefits of being enlisted first and working the way through the program is why I am still going after 20 years. The one thing you will need to check with recruiters about is your age. I started all this in 1999 and know max ages and waivers have changed 100 times since then so check with an expert before making any decisions or signing any legally binding contracts.
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Christy C
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I know it’s 35 to get into the Guard, and 34 for ROTC, but with rotc, they said as long as I show that I’m dedicated and I am willing to work hard and put in the effort, I could get an age waiver
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First, don't dismiss your service and sacrifice for the nation as a spouse. Joint military with children is very difficult, so weigh your priorities carefully. Contrary to what some claim, you can't have it all. But you can have what you choose as priorities.
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Christy C
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Oh, I don’t dismiss that, per se. I know they say we “serve” too, and It is hard on this side of it. It is something I have always wanted to do and something has always stopped me from doing it, so I should take it as a sign not to keep pursuing it, but this is my last shot to try. Im 34, with 3 kids, and I was “in” for a year and a half before I had to get out and never got to actually experience basic, ait, etc.

I guess my options are go through basic as a PFC, and work my way up from there and stay enlisted, but with a family on E3-E4 salary, that won’t help a whole lot. OR, I can go through ROTC and go through the shorter less screaming unless you mess up ROTC basic, and start as an officer in a couple of years making more for my family. Maybe it’s all just balogna and I shouldn’t...
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Christy C
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I would like to go the national guard route and I’m hoping for an AGR job, I know there are fewer officer AGRs than enlisted though.
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MAJ Fred Peterman
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Christy C as long as you continue to "strive for excellence ". Just like you gave hopes and aspirations for your kids.
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Rather it's going through BCT or ROTC program neither of them are bad choices; but I say utilize both of your options. I'd recommend going completing Basic Training and AIT first then go through ROTC. You'll be a MOS qualified soldier and you have your MOS to fall back on, if for whatever reason you can't commission or you just decide ROTC is not for you. Also if you complete Basic training it will open up doors for the Army ROTC SMP program, which is a really good program, with good benefits that can actually put more money in your pockets.
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Christy C
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This was very helpful, thank you!
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LTC Jason Mackay
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Christy C it really depends on you, your end goal, and your resources to achieve this goal.

I would generally recommend to anyone pursuing a commission to pursue it now vice later. The demands on officer candidates (ROTC, OCS, Service Academy) don't get any easier, and your initial Lieutenant time will be demanding in many ways. Don't compound the difficulty level with being older, slower, and trying to dodge age waivers etc. If your goal is to serve as an officer cut to the chase and do it. If you can't afford college or need other service benefits to go to college, then an enlisted path may be right for you.

My recommendation would be to see an ROTC program. They have recruiting and operations people that can advise you, on your specific situation as they stack against their current accessions rules. At least see where you stand.
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