Posted on Oct 4, 2015
Would it make a difference if potential gun owners were given a "psychological" test?
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Ok...so since people kill...not guns kill...People kill with guns...Currently people are checked to see if they've had any mental issues, mental instability or been institutionalized....but what about the people who are coo coo, but don't have a record.
Should some sort of psychological testing be devised and given to potential gun owners to see if they may be or have the potential to be crazy or maybe go out and do something crazy?
Many employers give a "psychological" test to potential employees to weed out the ones who they believe would not fit in or would not treat a customer the way they should be or any other number of reasons.
With psychology these days....they can devise a very specific test that would show ...hey, it would not be good such a good idea to give this guy a gun....maybe there would be a secondary back up system for those who don't pass....and if they fail the 2nd test...then they should definitely not be given a gun.
The tests devised these days are super accurate. It's amazing how these tests can pin point things. These type of tests are not developed over night...they take a few years to device, put together, tested and re tested before they are used.
Here is how I see it.
There are professional companies who specialize in these tests. They are hired by huge mulit million and multi billion dollar companies. They have nothing to do with the US government or obama care.
The test would be kind of like or just like at the police academy, a person who wants to become a police officer has to take one of the psychological evaluation...because lord knows we do not need a off the wall police officer....it's the same basic concept...we don't need people being able to get guns if they are coo coo....I can't believe that people are so stuck on their 2nd amendment rights that they cannot see that this type of thing just makes it a little safer....If someone fails the test, then they can make an appointment with a
I'm just trying to come up with some ideas that may be able to help stop crazy people from killing.
SO IF ANYONE OUT THERE CAN COME UP WITH A BETTER IDEA, then please by all means present it.
Ok...so since people kill...not guns kill...People kill with guns...Currently people are checked to see if they've had any mental issues, mental instability or been institutionalized....but what about the people who are coo coo, but don't have a record.
Should some sort of psychological testing be devised and given to potential gun owners to see if they may be or have the potential to be crazy or maybe go out and do something crazy?
Many employers give a "psychological" test to potential employees to weed out the ones who they believe would not fit in or would not treat a customer the way they should be or any other number of reasons.
With psychology these days....they can devise a very specific test that would show ...hey, it would not be good such a good idea to give this guy a gun....maybe there would be a secondary back up system for those who don't pass....and if they fail the 2nd test...then they should definitely not be given a gun.
The tests devised these days are super accurate. It's amazing how these tests can pin point things. These type of tests are not developed over night...they take a few years to device, put together, tested and re tested before they are used.
Here is how I see it.
There are professional companies who specialize in these tests. They are hired by huge mulit million and multi billion dollar companies. They have nothing to do with the US government or obama care.
The test would be kind of like or just like at the police academy, a person who wants to become a police officer has to take one of the psychological evaluation...because lord knows we do not need a off the wall police officer....it's the same basic concept...we don't need people being able to get guns if they are coo coo....I can't believe that people are so stuck on their 2nd amendment rights that they cannot see that this type of thing just makes it a little safer....If someone fails the test, then they can make an appointment with a
I'm just trying to come up with some ideas that may be able to help stop crazy people from killing.
SO IF ANYONE OUT THERE CAN COME UP WITH A BETTER IDEA, then please by all means present it.
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Sgt Kelli Mays I am afraid that as logical as your suggestion may sound, in practice it would just not work. If a person with mental issues wants to get their hands on a gun they will get a gun through legal, or illegal, means. Even some of the strictest gun laws in the country (Los Angeles and Chicago) are not able to stop the flow of guns, even automatic weapons, to those who can afford them, and wish to procure them.
There was reportedly a bill at one time, introduced by Senator Diane Feinstein, which would have precluded all Vets from owning guns, based on the supposition that they all suffer from PTSD, and therefore are mentally ill. Hoax letters were sent to thousands of Vets (see below). Once the gate is open is something like this, where does it end?
There was reportedly a bill at one time, introduced by Senator Diane Feinstein, which would have precluded all Vets from owning guns, based on the supposition that they all suffer from PTSD, and therefore are mentally ill. Hoax letters were sent to thousands of Vets (see below). Once the gate is open is something like this, where does it end?
Veterans Gun Seizure Hoax Debunked...Somewhat (updated)
Stories about "new letters" or a "new law" are total bunk. The law that authorizes gun seizures for those "adjudicated mentally ill" was passed in 1997 but nothing was said about it for over 15 years.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
ok...well that's just crazy...and it's not what I'm proposing.
Many employers give a "psychological" test to potential employees to weed out the ones who they believe would not fit in or would not treat a customer the way they should be or any other number of reasons.
With psychology these days....they can devise a very specific test that would show ...hey, it would not be good such a good idea to give this guy a gun....maybe there would be a secondary back up system for those who don't pass....and if they fail the 2nd test...then they should definitely not be given a gun.
The tests devised these days are super accurate. It's amazing how these tests can pin point things. These type of tests are not developed over night...they take a few years to device, put together, tested and re tested before they are used.
Here is how I see it.
There are professional companies who specialize in these tests. They are hired by huge mulit million and multi billion dollar companies. They have nothing to do with the US government or obama care.
The test would be kind of like or just like at the police academy, a person who wants to become a police officer has to take one of the psychological evaluation...because lord knows we do not need a off the wall police officer....it's the same basic concept...we don't need people being able to get guns if they are coo coo....I can't believe that people are so stuck on their 2nd amendment rights that they cannot see that this type of thing just makes it a little safer....If someone fails the test, then they can make an appointment with a
I'm just trying to come up with some ideas that may be able to help stop crazy people from killing.
SO IF ANYONE OUT THERE CAN COME UP WITH A BETTER IDEA, then please by all means present it.
Many employers give a "psychological" test to potential employees to weed out the ones who they believe would not fit in or would not treat a customer the way they should be or any other number of reasons.
With psychology these days....they can devise a very specific test that would show ...hey, it would not be good such a good idea to give this guy a gun....maybe there would be a secondary back up system for those who don't pass....and if they fail the 2nd test...then they should definitely not be given a gun.
The tests devised these days are super accurate. It's amazing how these tests can pin point things. These type of tests are not developed over night...they take a few years to device, put together, tested and re tested before they are used.
Here is how I see it.
There are professional companies who specialize in these tests. They are hired by huge mulit million and multi billion dollar companies. They have nothing to do with the US government or obama care.
The test would be kind of like or just like at the police academy, a person who wants to become a police officer has to take one of the psychological evaluation...because lord knows we do not need a off the wall police officer....it's the same basic concept...we don't need people being able to get guns if they are coo coo....I can't believe that people are so stuck on their 2nd amendment rights that they cannot see that this type of thing just makes it a little safer....If someone fails the test, then they can make an appointment with a
I'm just trying to come up with some ideas that may be able to help stop crazy people from killing.
SO IF ANYONE OUT THERE CAN COME UP WITH A BETTER IDEA, then please by all means present it.
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PVT Robert Gresham
Sgt Kelli Mays - Your idea is NOT a bad one. Please don't misunderstand me, I also believe that there should be some type of background check for aberrant, or criminal, behavior before a gun can be bought.
I just see so many opportunities for any type of psychological testing to be:
(1) Cheated on (because after a month, all the "correct" answers will be available online), there are also many who have studied basic psychology who could "guess" most of the right answers, or (2) Misused (similar to the way that your name, SSN, e-mail address, and other personal information are used for spam. or to hack your accounts), or (3) Through whatever method, suddenly your private information becomes public information, perhaps through actual hacking. (*Side note - Another question would be what to do about private gun sales. A totally different "bag of cats".)
Here in Alaska there is a background check that verifies that you are not a felon and that you are not wanted. When I asked about the possibility of a psychiatric background review, I was told that such records are considered medical records, and are protected under State Doctor/Patient confidentiality laws.
There IS a need for a system, but it will have to be a system that does not interfere with the rights that we fought for, or the Constitution that we swore to support and defend. I wish I could offer you the perfect solution, but like you and many others, I fail to find one. I would be happy to help you look for one though.
I just see so many opportunities for any type of psychological testing to be:
(1) Cheated on (because after a month, all the "correct" answers will be available online), there are also many who have studied basic psychology who could "guess" most of the right answers, or (2) Misused (similar to the way that your name, SSN, e-mail address, and other personal information are used for spam. or to hack your accounts), or (3) Through whatever method, suddenly your private information becomes public information, perhaps through actual hacking. (*Side note - Another question would be what to do about private gun sales. A totally different "bag of cats".)
Here in Alaska there is a background check that verifies that you are not a felon and that you are not wanted. When I asked about the possibility of a psychiatric background review, I was told that such records are considered medical records, and are protected under State Doctor/Patient confidentiality laws.
There IS a need for a system, but it will have to be a system that does not interfere with the rights that we fought for, or the Constitution that we swore to support and defend. I wish I could offer you the perfect solution, but like you and many others, I fail to find one. I would be happy to help you look for one though.
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Then the next step is what? Annual psych tests to KEEP your firearms? It sounds alot like just another mechanism to erode the rights outlined in the Constitution.
What if we all just read, understand, and abide by the Constitution?
What if we all just read, understand, and abide by the Constitution?
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When you require a psychological test before granting a driver license, then maybe.
When you require a psychological test before granting a marriage license, then maybe.
When you require a psychological test before granting a pilot license, then maybe.
When you require a psychological test before granting a teaching license, then maybe.
When you require a psychological test before granting a law license, then maybe.
Or, doctor, nurse, policeman, fireman, postman, need I go on.
But, on second thought, never. ("...congress shall make no law...")
When you require a psychological test before granting a marriage license, then maybe.
When you require a psychological test before granting a pilot license, then maybe.
When you require a psychological test before granting a teaching license, then maybe.
When you require a psychological test before granting a law license, then maybe.
Or, doctor, nurse, policeman, fireman, postman, need I go on.
But, on second thought, never. ("...congress shall make no law...")
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The 'right' of the 'people' to 'keep' and 'bear arms' shall 'not' be 'infringed.' Heller vs. DC has settled that argument. The reason the founding fathers put the #2A in place was to guard against tyranny by the government.
"Estimates over the number of defensive gun uses vary, depending on the study's population, criteria, time-period studied, and other factors. Higher end estimates by Kleck and Gertz show between 1 to 2.5 million DGUs in the United States each year."
Defensive gun use. (2015, July 31). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 14:20, October 16, 2015, from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Defensive_gun_use&oldid=673990392
"Estimates over the number of defensive gun uses vary, depending on the study's population, criteria, time-period studied, and other factors. Higher end estimates by Kleck and Gertz show between 1 to 2.5 million DGUs in the United States each year."
Defensive gun use. (2015, July 31). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 14:20, October 16, 2015, from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Defensive_gun_use&oldid=673990392
Defensive gun use - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Defensive gun use (DGU) is the use of a firearm in self-defense or defense of others. The frequency of defensive firearms incidents, and their effectiveness in providing safety and reducing crime is a controversial issue in gun politics and criminology.[1]:64 Different authors and studies employ different criteria for what constitutes a defensive gun use which leads to controversy in comparing statistical results. Perceptions of the number of...
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Seeing how I'm more likely to die from a doctor, or even a hammer for that matter according to evidence by the FBI, guns are not an issue. I am a huge gun guy, love them. People blame guns because they want to blame something, anything. now when it comes to being killed by a doctor who gave you the wrong meds, or too much, it never goes to news because people see the pro's in doctors. same with a hammer. It's purpose is it hit things, its a tool. people dont see the negative because its just a tool. A gun is a tool, people just think its meant to kill human beings. It's not the case, I carry every day, even a 5 minute trip to walmart I holster my pistol, I have a right to defend myself and my family. Theres not such thing as gun violence, only violence.
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I'm all for "Well Regulated". Hell I am even for the Argument for Guns for Home Defense and Hunting which is more based on the Magna Carta than on the 2nd Amendment. What I am not for is the BS Spewed by the NRA which I consider a Terrorist Organization right up there with the IRA.
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Should people be given a psychological test to drive a car as well? Or perhaps in order to bear and raise a child so many of them are abused? How about to own a dog (so many of them are mistreated)?
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We need to be more into the resent discharged. Watch them close! No shit! Take care of our brothers and sisters.
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Cpl Damon Hines
Give a weapon to the Soldier,don't expect less. Teach the same Solder respect,and we have a nation
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I don't want to sound rude or imply that you are by some mean incapable of reason, but as a society we cannot control n individual. We take steps to avoid major events/ protect the majority, but the same way some people care to hurt others and go out of their way to truly help their environment. You have people you want to hurt people. Rape other, destroy the innocence of a child, kill and love doing wrong to others. Guns themselves have nothing to do with the equation. The same as a car has nothing to do with a drunk driver. A gun is the same thing as a hammer a tool. In a child's hand a toy, and in an evil person hand it's still a tool. A means to an end. We need to stop looking at guns as the problem because all we are seeing is people making choices and the consequences attached to it. I agree with you that there are step we can still take but looking at it from a gun control issue is not the answer. This anti bullying movement is a step in the wrong direction we are creating victim out of our children instead of teaching the to stand up and fight. Yes fight not to start them but to hold their ground. Teach them that you don't always win they have to learn to deal with disappointment and failer just the same. The world is a hard place let's start by building strong people to live in it
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