Posted on Jan 7, 2020
MSgt Michael Bischoff
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SSG Brian G.
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If POTUS or V-POTUS or any military official orders a direct attack on a cultural site whose only designation IS a cultural site that is violation of the Geneva Conventions and a war crime, thus an unlawful order. If the site has a dual purpose that is both cultural and what is considered a valid military target then no.
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SGT Robert Wager
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Context is key. If you knowingly follow an order to target and attack what you know to be a protected cultural site with zero military purpose then I would believe you would be guilty of war crimes.

Now let’s talk how low that knowledge might be expected to be knowable. Would a fire team member (E-1 to E-4) be expected to know that target X is a protected site? Doubtful. Team leader? Probably not. Squad leader? A better chance of actually knowing but again probably not fully culpable. Plt Sergeant/Plt Leader? You could begin to make an argument that they could have known. Company Commander or above? The argument becomes that they have a duty to know what are legal targets and what are not.
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CPL Gary Pifer
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Fake new from the left....
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CSM Richard StCyr
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It could be a lawful order if they are used to screen, mask or house military material or conduct military operations. Here are some doctrinal references that cover valid or non-valid targeting of persons or places. I was unable to find one from the Navy- They are pretty uniform in the examples used and the scenarios they discuss.

-UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS THE BASIC SCHOOL MARINE CORPS TRAINING COMMAND CAMP BARRETT, VIRGINIA 22134-5019 LAW OF WAR/ INTRODUCTION TO RULES OF ENGAGEMENT B130936 STUDENT HANDOUT

- FIELD MANUAL *FM 27-2 NO 27-2 HEADQUARTERS DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY WASHINGTON, DC, 23 November 1984

- LAW OF ARMED CONFLICT (LOAC) prepared by PETERSON AFB LEGAL OFFICE

- RULES OF ENGAGEMENT REFERENCE 1. CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF INSTR. 3121.01B, STANDING RULES OF ENGAGEMENT (SROE)/STANDING RULES FOR THE USE OF FORCE (SRUF) FOR U.S. FORCES (13 June 2005). -------NOTE: This is an unclassified document describing the considerations for commanders in ROE development and is not an actual ROE. Do not post actual ROEs if you saved one from a previous deployment as they are classified documents, and should be destroyed or turned in...………..
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SGT Cort Landry
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You have to remember who we are dealing with here. These radicals would behead each and everyone of us if given the chance. They only know how to be brutal and unrelenting. Why should hamstring our military by trying to play by a different set of rules than them?
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So what? As I said earlier. If they behead and torture, we don’t get to do the same. If they would destroy cultural sites just to make us angry, we don’t get to do the same. The other side committing war crimes doesn’t get us license to do so too.
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SGT Cort Landry
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SPC (Join to see) - I'm sorry but your response is the very reason we are in the crap we are in today. Rules of engagement, and all the bull crap red tape our military has to deal with. Most of our war fighting would have been very different if our military would not have been held back because of bureaucrats making it virtually impossible to do their jobs.
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Sgt,

Are you advocating for us to blow up historical sites, kill civilians, torture prisoners, to loot and burn as they see fit?

Arguments can be made for what is appropriate rules of engagement and how much is too much. But so far all I’ve said is that the other side being war criminals doesn’t give us license to do the same. And I stand by that.

I say again. If I was given the order to behead an enemy pow, so that it could be filmed and broadcasted as a deterrence (what they do), then I would refuse the order. It doesn’t matter if they do it or not. And I truly hope you would as well.

As for bombing cultural sites. I likewise hope that you also would only advocate for doing so if the enemy made it into a military target. That is what you are saying, right?
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SGT Cort Landry
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blowing up historical sites if they have weapons of mass destruction, yes. Killing innocent civilians, of course not. I just don't agree with hamstringing our military because of rules that none of our adversaries adhere too.
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Lt Col Jim Coe
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What Pres Trump does and what he says are usually different. Talk is intended for certain audiences. Actions are intended for selected physical results; also sends a message. I’m okay with not attacking holy sites or museums. Unfortunately weapons research and development may be going on at scientific sites or universities. I can see them being targets. Terrorists know our rules and exploit them by hiding military activities under schools or hospitals.
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SPC Erich Guenther
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I don't think we should target cultural sites. The current Iranian government should be viewed as temporary and the cultural sites as permanent. Additionally, the Iranian cultural sites benefit people far beyond those living in Iran.
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
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Only, he never said he would hit Iranian cultural sites.
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SGT Cort Landry
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And Iran would bring all of our cultural sites down to gravel. All of our monuments and "cultural" locations seem to be fair game to those that want to do us harm, so why should be treat them any difference. Especially since most would cut our heads off in a heartbeat and not think twice.
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
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SGT Cort Landry - I don't care how they would act. Targeting a cultural site is unnecessary as it serves no military purpose. Our beef is with the Iranian government, not its people and culture. The whole point which many are choosing not to recognize as they spout off their knowledge of the LOAC is that President Trump did not say he would order the military to target cultural sites. This whole discussion is all CNN contrived BS.
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MSgt Michael Bischoff
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sites — “some at a very high level & important to Iran & the Iranian culture”
Semantics really
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Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin
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MSgt Michael Bischoff Use the whole quote MSgt. Stop cherry picking.
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SSG Environmental Specialist
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It would depend, do they as some have said actually have military assets around those sites hoping to use them as shields. Not sure why you would hit cultural sites if they do not have a military purpose, hell go after the leadership.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
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IMO, yes. If one reads either the Hague Convention, which covers Cultural sites, or the Geneva Convention, one of the things that people want ignore is that to be bound by either Convention requires that the other side reciprocate in kind. In this case, this article, "Art. 11. 1. If one of the High Contracting Parties commits, in respect of any item of cultural property under special protection, a violation of the obligations under Article 9 [ Link ] , the opposing Party shall, so long as this violation persists, be released from the obligation to ensure the immunity of the property concerned. Nevertheless, whenever possible, the latter Party shall first request the cessation of such violation within a reasonable time." Have the Iranians or parties supported by the Iranians targeted other "Cultural sites"? I think we all would agree that the answer to that one is yes, even within their own country.
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