Posted on Dec 17, 2014
Would you support a standard uniform for all branches of service? Why or Why not?
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I would like to see a common dress uniform that would have branch insignia displayed. Duty uniforms should vary not necessarily by branch but actual duty performed while deployed and while in garrison. Whether it's the same in each branch is moot to me.
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SPC (Join to see)
I do believe that any time on foreign soil should at the very least be in a uniform that is all the same "pattern" that would identify us as US Service Members.
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Yes, and let the Marines let themselves roll their sleeves up inside out, so they can feel few and proud.
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Let's definitely move to one uniform. The Army ACU is well designed for actual utility, and this move would consolidate supply and distribution functions, thus saving a metric butt-ton of money.
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I understand the inter-service rivalry, but we went for many years with one camouflage uniform. Sure, each service called it something different, but the pattern was the same and it saved the taxpayers a lot of money. I read somewhere that the USMC created the woodland camo pattern and the other services liked it so much they adopted it. Then the USMC did it again, but they knew the Army would get camo-envy and try to steal it again, so they put the EGA in it. I guess that made the Army mad so they had to do the impossible and create a universal camo pattern that is universally useless. Then the rest of the services had to do their own thing.
Anyway, being the cheapskate that I am, and trying to be a responsible steward of the taxpayers' dollars, I think one camo pattern for all services is a good idea. From a logistics perspective it makes sense. We have one common firearm (with few exceptions) for all services. If someone breaks their M16 they can go to any armorer and have it fixed. We have a lot of commonality amongst services so we can get back in the fight. The ability to be issued a uniform or any other gear from any unit in the field is a big plus when we consider how many units operate with multi-service assets these days.
Edit- I just reread the original question. I do not support one uniform for all services. Each service has their distinct heritage and that should be reflected in their dress uniform. However, for a field uniform I support one pattern.
Anyway, being the cheapskate that I am, and trying to be a responsible steward of the taxpayers' dollars, I think one camo pattern for all services is a good idea. From a logistics perspective it makes sense. We have one common firearm (with few exceptions) for all services. If someone breaks their M16 they can go to any armorer and have it fixed. We have a lot of commonality amongst services so we can get back in the fight. The ability to be issued a uniform or any other gear from any unit in the field is a big plus when we consider how many units operate with multi-service assets these days.
Edit- I just reread the original question. I do not support one uniform for all services. Each service has their distinct heritage and that should be reflected in their dress uniform. However, for a field uniform I support one pattern.
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Moving to one uniform would be stealing from our culture, and identity. No thanks!
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Absolutely not. Uniforms are to distinguish us from the other branches and as Marines, we take pride in being different than everyone else. The Air Force and army can do what they want, but the Navy and Marine Corps will maintain our distinguishing uniforms.
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Back in the day (late 70's, early 80's) both the Army and Air Force wore the same green uniforms for daily wear. Then the Army went to BDU's and for the most part, so did everyone else. Now, we all have to be different. It makes economic sense to have one type of uniform for all. But I would let each service add it own touch (such as sleeve rank insignia or other markings).
Each combat environment is different and the quest to find a "one camo pattern to fit all" will always fail. When down range, we should all wear the uniform that makes the most sense for the location.
Each combat environment is different and the quest to find a "one camo pattern to fit all" will always fail. When down range, we should all wear the uniform that makes the most sense for the location.
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I would totally support it. I think the grey Air Force uniforms get dirt to easly.
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SFC Michael Jackson, MBA
I think the Army ACU rip and fade too easy. When/if all the representatives from the branches go into the design mode, it'll be interesting what the "mutual agreed upon" uniforms look like
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Yes, I think a universal combat/ utility uniform would save the DOD a ton of money. No matter what base a service member is at, they could buy utility uniform items. It worked 15 years ago when we all had the old tricolor uniforms. Why wouldn't it work now?
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I would agree to let the Army wear the Digital Camis of the Marine Corps. On one condition though. You can stick patches all over it. You know why? Because it doesn't have VELCRO.
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SMSgt Thor Merich
The army wont wear MARPAT. They copied the basic design pattern but they took out the black because they say "black doesn't naturally occur in nature." The design of the uniform (not the color) is poor and the amount of Velcro is silly.
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I support it %100. I liked the multi cam. and think it looks sharp. I think we could all just wear our own rank etc
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Yes, Combat uniformity with service dress being branch specific (Pre-9/11 Rules).
Just make sure that those involved with the "development/decision making" of the UCP/ABU patterns are allowed nowhere near the process. Multicam and MARPAT were ready/available before ACU/ABU were made, this insanity driven by folks who have no idea what their doing while bold-face lying about "effectiveness" in order to generate "individuality via jealousy", needs to stop (I'm looking at you Air Force for wishing you were cool enough to wear original Tiger Stripes, and you Army for wanting digi's so bad it didn't matter what color it was in). For example, it took me about 15min [with some mad photoshop skills I might add] a few years ago to perfectly digitize/pixelate the amazingly effective Multicam colorway at a full resolution (example attached) if simply being digital was so important.
Just make sure that those involved with the "development/decision making" of the UCP/ABU patterns are allowed nowhere near the process. Multicam and MARPAT were ready/available before ACU/ABU were made, this insanity driven by folks who have no idea what their doing while bold-face lying about "effectiveness" in order to generate "individuality via jealousy", needs to stop (I'm looking at you Air Force for wishing you were cool enough to wear original Tiger Stripes, and you Army for wanting digi's so bad it didn't matter what color it was in). For example, it took me about 15min [with some mad photoshop skills I might add] a few years ago to perfectly digitize/pixelate the amazingly effective Multicam colorway at a full resolution (example attached) if simply being digital was so important.
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Cpl Phil Hsueh
FYI, Multicam is actually a digital pattern, it's just not pixelated but being pixelated is not what makes a pattern digital. IIRC what makes a pattern is how it was developed, in the case of a digital pattern it was created with the aid of a computer, I don't recall the exact details but I think it had something to do with color and pattern analysis.
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Right, Multicam has digital fades, and was designed via computer. The issue was the Army wanted an obviously pixelated pattern (ala Marines) more than they actually wanted an effective pattern. Then comes the Air Force whose only goal was to get to wear "tiger stripes" regardless of effectiveness.
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One team one fight! We all have pride in what we do and sometimes feel we do a better job than other branches. Bottom line were paid the same rate plus special duty based on different criteria. That's what sets us apart. Navy has the highest annual budget for uniforms (what are you up to? 6?) And your blue, you fall in the water who's gonna fuck in see you, jk. One uniform, save cost, maybe a sand/jungle/gassison diviation. Keep our own dress uniform for special occasions (mines never been worn in 4 years).
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We are all different, do different jobs and it's ok to have Branch Pride. Espirit De Corp amongst the different branches!
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SFC Michael Jackson, MBA
SFC Daniel Byrd
I understand the branch pride, and the desire for own identity, but with the budget cuts and every dollar being scrutinized, is it worth holding on to. Would compromise with keeping the dress uniform?
I understand the branch pride, and the desire for own identity, but with the budget cuts and every dollar being scrutinized, is it worth holding on to. Would compromise with keeping the dress uniform?
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I would support a common uniform. For one thing, it's cheaper than letting all the services try to research and develop a brand new pattern every few years. Less money spent there means more money for other stuff like required hardware/tools for those careers that need them. It also builds more national unity. Though we all joke about our sister services, we are all fighting for the same friends and families at home. It only makes sense 1 team, 1 fight!
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Uniforms for the your suroundings! I think that the working uniforms (I.E. camo) should reflect the members surroundings regardless of what branch they may be from in a combat zone, outside of that I feel that each branch has a sense of pride in their uniforms that we should not take away. The fact that we all have U.S. (branch, I.E. Navy, Marine, Army, Air Force, Coast Gaurd) unites us all you in the same but as we all know the different branches has their different ways about the, is it a head or a latrine or a bathroom, is it a wall or bulkhead, a hatch or door. Our traditions are very different as well. I say own the branch you are in and show off when you can but when it comes to combat we share the same blood so why not the same uniform.
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SFC Michael Jackson, MBA SFC I would agree with you on this one. I think it would save a ton of money in the long run. Just have a few alterations is all for each branch. That is my opinion on this topic.
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This is a hard one for me. I know that it would obviously be more cost effective for all branches to share one standard uniform. That being said, it would be more cost effective for the USPS, FedEx, and UPS to share uniforms. I'm probably a little bit old school, but I think it IS important for each service to "represent". If (in my humble opinion), we all look exactly the same, the lines of responsibility start to fade, in the eyes of the public. I also think loyalty plays a big part; each service member takes pride in the fact that they chose the particular service they are in.
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USPS, FedEx and UPS are three very separate entities. USPS a is tax and revenue funded government organization, while the latter two are corporations. Corporations don't share expenses and government agencies don't split the bill with corporations.
The military on the other hand is all umbrella'd under the DoD and serves in separate and joint assignments worldwide. Pride in the uniform should be achieved by the wearer's care and conduct, not by looking different... just for the sake of not looking like the other guys.
The military on the other hand is all umbrella'd under the DoD and serves in separate and joint assignments worldwide. Pride in the uniform should be achieved by the wearer's care and conduct, not by looking different... just for the sake of not looking like the other guys.
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We had it in the OG fatigues, for a couple of decades, followed by the
woodland camo fatigues for a decade or so. The everyone went off on their own
service camo fatigues. The OG was the best for blending in almost everywhere.
woodland camo fatigues for a decade or so. The everyone went off on their own
service camo fatigues. The OG was the best for blending in almost everywhere.
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