Posted on Sep 6, 2015
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I've spent 37 years in the Army, in both the active and reserve components. Most of my career has been in the reserves. Regardless, I've consistently seen different "rules" and regs applied not to mention the never ending attitude on deployments that reservists and guardsmen are inferior to active component Soldiers.The active component gets promoted faster, has priority at required schools and typically treats reservists/guardsmen like second class Soldiers on deployments. I can give dozens of examples if needed but I'll save it for now. Bottom line is the Reserves/Guard constitute the bulk of the Army - the Army needs the Reserve/Guard and can't do without them so treat them as equals and not second class Soldiers. Give them the same opportunities for promotion and schools. And especially to the active component, quit assuming we are "inferior" Soldiers during deployments. We often outperform active duty Soldiers plus we bring a multitude of other skills to the table - we are cops, engineers, CEO's, nurses and so on. Let's make everything equitable.

Just to clarify, not all AC elements are like this, nor are all RC/NG elements "top shelf." This issue is a problem that has been around since when I joined the Army in 1978 - I'm sure it goes back even further. This post is about fixing attitudes, ending stereotypes and providing equal educational opportunities to RC/NG Soldiers that AC Soldiers enjoy.
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CSM Michael J. Uhlig
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CW4 (Join to see) - our Reserve Component Soldiers are a very viable part of our mission! Soldiers from my unit are in 12 countries tonight spread across three continents, do you think for a minute we could be spread that thin and not rely on our full spectrum force, which includes our Reserve Component force? We not only incorporate them, we rely on them and trust them, they are our partners, sometimes you just have move past the stereotypical blinders and trust that people will do their jobs, they often bring many better practices or ways of doing things with them!
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Well said CSM Uhlig!
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SGT(P) Bryon Sergent
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CSM Michael J. Uhlig - Well said and Thank you!
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CW4 (Join to see) With all due respect, I disagree with that premise. Understanding that in comparison, I have the third of your time in the Army, I have always been a mobilized reservist. In an honest comparison, I would say yes, the RC is more laxed with the Rules at times, but there is that experience in a civilian career that ups the ante. You can not compare an Active duty soldier that only knows the active duty side, to one that has knowledge of his military job, as well as other jobs experiences, and maybe a college degree. Usually RC units are more easily adaptable to an ever changing battlefield.

AC component usually forgets that we have 2-3 days a month to do what most of them do in 30 days, in addition to our regular jobs outside the military. We are more versatile when it comes to wearing multiple hats. Even sometimes, like my unit is presently experiencing, have a command that has no regard or knowledge of downtime to let troops recover. (meaning pulling 12-14 hr days every single drill weekend)

As a good example I can give you my unit's last AT operation, were we had to set up our level II medical facilities in the field, and be operational within 36 hours. Mind you we are not at 100% strength, more like 60%. Well, instead of 36 hours we were already up and ready in the first 24 hours, and able to start the training, in addition to do 2 more real life medical support missions to OCS training taking place in another location. In less than a week we proved to our command that we were able to meet the demands of our METL and SubMETL tasks 100%. It really came in handy that we had medics that were electricians, builders, and heavy equipment operators.

This was not easy to accomplish, but I am very proud that our soldiers were able to get the big picture of what we do in our unit.

I am not trying to put down the active component, but my personal experience is that as a single soldier, I have earned the respect of both AC and RC component commands. This has never been an issue with me, and this is more like that usual banter between our branches of service, because when the metal meets the meat, these preconceptions all die suddenly.
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SFC Recruit Sustainment Program (Rsp) Cadre
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CW2 (Join to see) - wow, you must be AC
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SFC Machine Operator
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no he is New York ARNG
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That's why I know I'm in the National Guard and while doing air assault missions like in the commercials would be awesome a lot of our units don't have the funding to plan hardcore training for the MDay guys. My response was soley based on my own experience being in the Reserve for 3 years, active duty for 8 and now in the National Guard for 2. When I was active duty I never treated reservists with any disrespect but I did notice that ANG and RC units are run more like a family then the AC thats why when I got off active duty I joined the Guard.
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SGT(P) Bryon Sergent
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CW2 (Join to see) - I was active duty for 3 years. We sat around and waited more often then not. We did however have training time. We spent 9 out of 12 months in the field. 2 days here, week there, 30 days on the occasion, always on the firing range for something, M-16, m249, m-60, m-203 and dragon training. We stayed busy as an Infantry unit. Adimin was done during the the day at times when ever needed. You could just run up to S-1 and do what ever, then the birth month review and bam done.

Now as national Guard, we get a weekend to do Weapons qual, then might get the the 249, 240 or the 50 on occasion, maybe a 203. Admin is usually done for the whole company in a weekend drill plus what we have to train on. Instead of just running up to S-1 shop and completing it, We train all day till chow time, then up til 0100 or 0200 to get all the BS paper work that needs to be done, then back up at 0500 to start training again.

I do not think that one component is better than the other, but with that being said, when we go to set up our AO and need some one to fix the generator, someone on the civilian side is a small engine repair and gets it running, or if we are out and the HMMWV has something go wrong, and maintenance is now where to be found, we get it running and then get it to them. Need power ran to something guarantee we have at least 1 contractor in the unit that is an electrician and we get it done. In my last unit I think we actually had an attorney in the unit! So we had all of our POA's and things done before we deployed! I know when I deployed right after 9/11 i had a soldier that had his landlord put a padlock on his apartment. His wife couldn't get in to there home to get their new born stuff. I happened to work at a jail. Guess who I knew, the District judge for the country, who was also our JAG officer. Called him and he had a court order faster than you can blink an eye. Had 3 country sheriff deputies there. When the landlord refused the court order not only was the door kicked in and her allowed in but the landlord went to jail and they got out of there lease (legally) and the landlord got a huge fine!
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COL Mikel Burroughs
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CW4 (Join to see) I served for 37 years (one extra) there Chief and I experienced this as well, but I didn't let it take over my deployment. I was integrated with active duty component personnel and I made it clear as the Commander that I wouldn't tolerate (them, they, we, active duty over reserve, etc.). During that time period I made it very clear we all bled one color and that was "green". The attitude going in was one of inferior and the attitude going out was "One Team, One Fight". In my opinion senior leadership both on the officer side and senior NCO side are the ones that can make or break this attitude. I had senior officers (generals) and senior NCOs that knew we were the real deal and treated us just like everyone else. There is something to be learned from both (Reserve soldiers and learn from their active duty counterparts on those skills they get to train on 24/7 every month for 365 days a year and the Active Duty can learn valuable civilian skills they haven't been exposed to). If handled properly it can be a good experience for both and for me it comes down to leadership on both sides of the equation. Yes, I've had bad experiences too, but I corrected them very quickly. I told my Active Duty CSM on day one that I was active duty before he was out of diapers, so we can put that to rest right now - he got the message. Just my opinion Chief - don't shoot the messenger!

One other comment. I had more problems from a disciplinary standpoint with the ative duty during that deployment than with the reservist. No disrespect intended, but that is a fact!
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I have never seen a Col go to MG in one shot. There are no more Brevet ranks for a while now, but in your case there are USERRA and ESGR that could have straightened your job situation, with a lawsuit, they are our advocates. That is given your orders were on title 10, section 12301, 12302, 12304, 333 or the most grave 12406. If it was a voluntary deployment then you probably were 12301, if voluntold then probably it was under sections 12302 or 12304. Any knowledge, and this is very easy to look up, with your orders, type, sections, kind of tell you who do you fall on. If you want to have a convo, we can do that by PM. I will be more than glad to guide you and go after your old civilian job boss, you may still have a chance for a lawsuit with advocates on your side.
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Sir, to be clear, neither myself or Soldiers I've served with have ever let the AC's attitude towards us "take over my (our) deployment." We're professionals and deal with this all the time. We simply do the best job we can, which has always solved the problem. Our internal leadership ensures that our junior Soldiers understand the situation and that they need to focus on doing their job the best they can. We may have been cut off at the knees a couple times upon arrival in theater but we always rebound quickly.

The RC/NG Soldiers I've served with on deployments have always outperformed our AC counterparts. In one instance (doing counterintelligence/HUMINT OPS), we were actually investigated (informally) because we were generating far more usable intel than our AC counterparts. Bottom line - we were working harder. Additionally, the word got out about us and the AC combat arms elements out there began specifically requesting support from us RC/NG folks because we were making a difference - we generated substantial intel that captured/killed bad guys and saved coalition lives.

Please know I'm not shooting the messenger, just wanted to clarify an issue. I agree with everything you had to say and I appreciate the attitude you adopted regarding AC and RC/NG Soldiers working together. Both elements can learn from each other.
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SFC Clark Adams
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NG/AR Medics that were Nurses, Paramedics/EMTs were documented to have lower death rates in the MEDEVAC units than RC units. This find resulted in the complete overhaul of Flight Medic training to BRING THE AD Medics up to speed to be as competent as the RC Medics.
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SSG Everett Wilson
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SSG (Join to see) - ESGR said sorry nothing we can do
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