Posted on Dec 8, 2013
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Some traditions aren't official, but began more as habits. Think of those that damage the budget, hinder progress, and others that are flat out just a waste of time or obsolete. 
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SSG Steven Mangus
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60 minute speeches glorifying outgoing commanders at change of commands. Sure let the speak; however limit it to 15 minutes..
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SSG Operations Nco
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Even less time.
Nobody in formation cares what the speaker is saying, cause their at attention or parade rest.
Never cared who was leaving, taking over or what their history was. If I wanted to know it, it's in the pamphlets and later posted online.
I swore in to follow lawful orders regardless of who was in command.
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SSG Dennis O'Connor
SSG Dennis O'Connor
5 mo
I’ve been retired for a few years but I seem to recall an actual regulation that dictates an allotted time limit for outgoing/incoming commander remarks. Couldn’t begin to remember the minute limits but I assume it was meant to limit the endless droning at CofC ceremonies
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CWO4 Brook Kelsey
CWO4 Brook Kelsey
5 mo
Changes of command - period! Let it go for Pete’s sake!
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MSG Thomas Currie
MSG Thomas Currie
5 mo
It wouldn't be quite so bad if the speeches weren't all the same. Outgoing commander says how proud he is of having commanded this find unit, recaps a few of the unit accomplishments (cribbed from his OER Support Form) and then says how sad he is to be leaving this great unit but that the service is sending him to a new assignment. Incoming commander says how proud he is to be taking command of this terrific unit, how he is confident everyone will give him the same outstanding performance they gave the previous commander, and how the unit will continue to do great things in the future.

I only saw one change of command that ever broke from that script. Outgoing commander made the standard speech. Incoming commander stepped up and said something like "Now I'm supposed to tell you how proud I am to be assuming command of this battalion. Well I'm not going to say that, because I'm not proud of this unit and you aren't proud to be here -- but we'll have another formation in a month and then I'll tell you that I'm proud of the unit, because you'll be proud to be here -- or you won't be here." That incoming commander turned around what had been a piss poor unit into a good one. It took him more than a month, but we were well on the way in that first month.
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PO2 Brad Broerman
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It's a shame that they got rid of tacking on crows, or the ceremonies involved with crossing the line or blue nose... all because of "hazing"... honestly, some mild hazing is ok. it builds character and strength, and builds the feelings of camaraderie.
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PO2 Jack Moorehead
PO2 Jack Moorehead
5 mo
Being a HMC ret. I am a trusty shellback and can understand why you could still do that. Tacking on Crows can get rough but it never killed any one.
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SA Carrington Bibuld
SA Carrington Bibuld
5 mo
Among the proudest moments of my life, much less my career.
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PO2 Loren Gilmore
PO2 Loren Gilmore
5 mo
Cant believe that they got rid of the initiation to Shellback. Such a shame and a long held tradition.
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MSG Thomas Currie
MSG Thomas Currie
5 mo
As you said "some mild hazing is ok" but "some mild hazing" wasn't what got seen in videos. Like all hazing rituals there were always a few groups that took things either in a wrong direction or too far or both.

Once people start going too far or doing inappropriate things, that's when the top brass find that they have to get involved. Unfortunately there simply isn't any way to write "good sense" into a regulation or a policy, so the solution ends up being all or nothing.
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SGM Matthew Quick
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Why are we looking to get rid of traditions because it's "just a waste of time"?
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Hear hear, MSG Quick! Well said.
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SFC Joseph Lumpkins
SFC Joseph Lumpkins
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SGM Quick the one thing I noticed after I retired in 2002 was NCOs wanted to be friends with their troops, which was something that I always explained to my new NCOs.
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PO1 Charles Norris
PO1 Charles Norris
4 mo
If we truly wanted to save each brach any $$ at all, why do we keep so many civilian positions open that support the branches?! Many of those could be done by E4 and below and would save a boatload of $$ for the branches and DoD budget overall.
Our traditions connect us to our past. Much if what many might consider hazing or a waste of time do nothing else but remind is our our brothers and sisters who went before us.
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CPT Keith Whitter
CPT Keith Whitter
4 mo
I agree, if you attempt to make traditions go away someone will just come up with a new and improved version.
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