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Posted on Feb 16, 2016
SSG Lon Watson
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Cpl D L Parker
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thank you. Ive been searching for years the topic you just discussed. However doesn't the Army have something similar to the crucible?
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SGT William Parke
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So in another avenue, do you believe the Boot Camp process for Corrections is truly effective in reducing recidivism even among minor offense inmates?
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SSG Lon Watson
SSG Lon Watson
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I absolutely do. We have a 69% rate which is better than any prison program. But there is an unmeasurable effect too. Sometimes you fix one guy and that guy goes out and does great things. I know that convicts are way tougher than recruits to train. They very from being illiterate guys with IQs of 85 to people with a master's degree.
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COL Ted Mc
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Edited 10 y ago
SSG Lon Watson - Staff; One of the difficulties involved in transferring "Marine Training/Thinking" to the Army is that "the Army" is simply too diffuse to have an identity. On the other hand, "The Corps" is seen by Marines as a single entity.

If you ask any Marine, "the Army" will NEVER be an "elite concept" because it will always be populated by non-Marines (who, by [Marine] definition, 'simply wouldn't be able to hack it as Marines'). With a 241 year head start, "The Marines" are going to be almost impossible to catch up with. With the human material that the Army attracts, catching up is going to be even harder. (This, however, does not mean that SECTIONS of the Army can't be as good as - or [HERESY ALERT] even better than Marines [/HERESY ALERT] - but they have to be LED to believe that they can be.)

You might also note that it doesn't seem a bit unusual to capitalize the "T" of the "the" when you refer to "The Corps" or "The Marines", but it does if you try to refer to "The Army".

PS - I do agree that the Army could try a bit harder than it seems to be doing these days.
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SSG William Rhodes
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The only thing I can say since I went thru basic, the Army standards have gone to shit. Nowadays not only recruits but also basic training units standards and traditions are weak!
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LCpl Cody Collins
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You are spot on !
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CPT Aaron Kletzing
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This has to be an early candidate for Command Post entry of the year :)
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PFC Ammunition Specialist
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i went to my AIT where there were Marines for school too. whenever we saw them, they were not as highly trained as what you were comparing the Army to.

also when I arrived to basic training, it wasn't all love and hugs, it was shock and awe. so if you think it's getting soft then maybe you need to go back through training again.

Marines are not all that special, or elite.
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SPC Joshua Dawson
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After what I experienced on a 15 month deployment, in which my unit was tasked out under the Marine Task Force, I do not have much of an opinion of Marines or even much respect for them either. They sent us out to all the areas they kept getting messed up in and they would hardly even bring us supplies, then they would only come out on 2 week rotations to stay where we were and in that time they would completely trash the place and try to steal whatever they could so not only were they trying to take what little we even had out there but they were trashing the whole place and just leaving it like that for my unit to take care of as well.
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SPC Joshua Dawson
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I'm wondering where you had basic training if you have opinions like that. I've talked with several prior service Marines and most of them didn't even come close to the treatment we received at Benning from day one all the way until we left on the bus. They initially called it "red phase" and they constantly told us that it was only for the beginning of the training cycle but our entire training cycle was "red phase" hell they even added more onto it the closer it got to the end.
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SSG Scott Burk
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I totally agree.
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