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Posted on Feb 16, 2016
SSG Lon Watson
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SSG Lon Watson
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You folks that keep hating on my article, thanks it’s almost to 100k views!
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SGT Mike Adams
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I guess this guy joined after the middle 70’s. Basic training was rough. I seen a dozen guys not make it through. However on 1980 I was yelling at one of the guys in my squad. He started crying, he said the drill sergeants didn’t even yell at them. He also mentions several hard core units. I thought my Calvary Regiment, the 11th ACR was a pretty hardcore outfit.
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Col James Cooke
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Well thought out critique, SSG Watson! Any one who gets upset over a critique needs to think real hard WHY he/she is getting upset or even angry. Then they are in a far better position to respond logically.
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SSG Wally Lawver
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Correct. I am retired Army, but will always be a Marine.
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MAJ Steve Daugherty
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Good points and when I entered basic training in the Army in 1971 the DI’s were on our ass from the gitgo, but they were all combat veterans and they sincerely were trying to train us to survive the war in SE asia. They had all internalized that mission because of comrades they had already lost. And if you couldn’t adjust they had special training platoons that were almost Draculan in their training and they came out good soldiers or were deemed pretty worthless, back then you weren’t allowed to just quit because it hurt your feelings , But irregardless, where the rubber meets the road is Combat performance, is there a profound difference when the shooting starts? Has anyone ever evaluated this, as it would be more telling if successful training strategies than anecdotal impressions, though not to negate the importance of trained observation
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MSG Frank Kapaun
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Your point? If you want to be a Marine, join the USMC.
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SSG Bradley Fighting Vehicle System Maintainer
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I will have to say that the army has changed a lot. I spent 23 years in the army. But, when I joined, it wasn't like it is now. We were petrified of our drill instructors, all the way through AIT. We learned to respect our leaders and NCO's. I just recently retired and I could tell the difference in the type of soldiers the army is recruiting now, compared to 20 years ago. Now it is quantity not quality.
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1SG Retired
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I see that you've given this a great deal of thought. I believe that experience as an Army DS may have helped you reach different conclusions.
How many Army receptions did you observe, or participate in, to reach the conclusions about Army training?
I disagree with many of your assertions, and believe they lack an awareness of what actually happens during Army basic training.
I served as a DS, and am certain the experiences of my Soldiers wasn't what you described. I was the Detachment Sergeant for HHD, 82nd CM BN in 2001, when TRADOC implemented a standardized zero day. I personally observed and evaluated the initial implementation, and don't believe it was comforting, or otherwise as you described. Inprocessing and reception at the Reception Station, where the Soldiers get their initial issue and wait to ship to their unit may not match the reception at the Marine Corps, but that doesn't support the conclusions presented.
I don't disagree that the Marine Corps is more indoctrination, but disagree with the majority of your conclusions, based on my first hand experience.
I do agree that the Marine Corps has done a better job at teaching its history to recruits.
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SSG Lon Watson
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I went to drill sergeant school, shadowed drill sergeants, and boom! Had an accident in training (not my fault), was nearly killed! Woke up in a hospital and didn’t get to graduate.
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Cpl Rc Layne
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There is no such thing as rehabilitation. It is a myth in the field of Corrections. I believe what you are looking for is " behavior modification", which is real, and is the primary result of USMC Boot Camp. The recruits have gone from me to we in their thought processes.
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SFC Squad Leader
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Well duh. Soldiers are a different group. Hell from guard to reserves to active are a different group. Not bad...just different.

I was active for 6 years as paratrooper in the 82ND for quite some time. Now I'm a guardsman, they are both soldiers but completely different.

It's more of a willing to fight spirit in the Army to a "we're the best at war" mentality. Honestly running a support element I love guardsmen, in a battle please give me marines, or better rangers
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LCpl Tim Nance
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Well said
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SPC Erich Guenther
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"one of which was retro-actively considered a combat tour because of the unanticipated battle on 23 November 1984"............Anyone know if this is really true? I think I would have heard about it being in service at the time and for almost 3 years afterwards from the other Korea Vets.
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SSG Lon Watson
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Are you really questioning me on this when you have google and other tools available. Mark DeVille got a silver star in 2014 retroactively for this combat engagement. Before you imply someone is a liar you should do your homework.
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SPC Erich Guenther
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And so where in the article is his name given? I did Google BTW and it was an honest question. I merely asked if it was true. 2014 is only two years ago, BTW. You might want to put an Edit in the article on his name and the retroactive award. I tried.
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Sgt Infantryman
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I am a Marine forever. A soldier may say..I was in the Army
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My main problem with this question/statement is that you're talking about reception. A 3-5 day bit about as remembered as a visit to MEPS, and less influential. As an Army POG, I went to Ft. Knox before they cut the BCT from there, and my reception was miserable, sure, and there was yelling and shock, but nothing like getting to my BCT unit. Shit was hell, and I remember at graduation, there was nothing you could say to me that could convince me that I hadn't just gone through the gauntlet and earned the right to be called Soldier. It was AIT where my discipline faltered, and further still at my unit, due to some poor "ride it out, check the block, try to retire" leadership. But when I became a leader, I vowed not to let that happen to my Soldiers. Like one of the other Soldiers here mentioned, Soldiers, good or bad, are made at the unit. BCT is a template creation. But what I don't take kindly to is anyone claiming that anyone else outside of my Branch is better than us. You're out of your mind. Between our Airborne POGS, to our SOF POGS in CA, PSYOP, 160th, etc, not one organization on planet earth can claim to be better than my Army, POG or not. And you know where the difference lies? Leadership. Wanna talk about a "softer" Army? Watch me turn your worst Soldier around without so much as a curse word or a bead of sweat. I hate being compared to any Branch, but I damn well know we're not coming up short.
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SPC Richard Stengline
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The school is no more but 82nd/18th Airborne Recondo was a kick in the pants that changed you.
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SPC Richard Stengline
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I also encouraged my sons that if they wanted to join a service pick the Marines.
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From what I've read, it sounds like you may have simply picked the wrong branch. It's ok to admire from afar but here you come off as a wannabe. That's ok and all but you've never experienced life as a Marine, you've only researched it.

The grass is only greener when you water it.
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SFC Jeff Couch
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Very well wrote did you hit on how some years back the army handed out stress card to use once a week what the f*** is that we would have had that shoved in places it shouldn't
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Never happened.
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TSgt Robert Belcher
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My older brother was a Marine, I remember attending his graduation from Boot Camp at Camp Pendleton, from that moment on he would have my everlasting respect and admiration because he had in fact earned the title MARINE, in my eyes they are the Ultimate Warriors, the only reason I didn't follow in his footsteps was because of my love of flying, I have often wondered if I could have measured up and become a Marine myself, the path not taken.
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PO2 Samuel Young
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If the Army were as good as the Marines we wouldn't need the Marines.
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SFC(P) Platoon Sergeant
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Go back to the want ta be warriors marines.We do not want you in our uniform.Go back to your 6 to 7 month tours,while mine are 13 to 16 months long in the Sh-t!U.S.ARMY wins just about all of the rifle and pistol competitions.The U.S.ARMY is the first in last out.The U.S.ARMY has more amphibious landing than the marines,to include WW2.We win at boxing,unarmed self defense.Hell we even beat the marines at there own marathon.It piss-s me off when you puss--s come over to my ARMY and start running your worthless mouth.Hell I heard a marine scream like a Bit-h when he came under fire.We kick everyone's ass.Oh,and we win the most sniper competitions.I could go on and on.But enough said on this worthless subject.And I will not reply back to this thread.P.S. I am not some in the rear with the gear F--k either.
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SSG Lon Watson
SSG Lon Watson
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I'm not going to stop this now. I'm not going to respond for two reasons: 1. I don't mouth off to a senior noncommissioned officer even if I am retired.
2. I have more honor than that.
Good day sergeant!
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