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Posted on Jun 8, 2021
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SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth
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Thank you for the great news share RallyPoint Shared Content
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what great news?
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SGT Lorenzo Nieto
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You still in Michigan cowboy
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SPC Stiv ChenRobbins
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Folks in Joe Biden's party were upset when President Trump made it a priotiy to support gay rights not only in the US, but to insist that other countries did not have the right to kill people for being gay. I guess it is okay now that the Bad Orange Man isn't saying it. Of course, he was also the first American president to go into office saying that he was okay with same-sex marriages, so...



As far as this particular puff piece, there hasn't really been a lot of controversy about gay, lesbian or bi people being in the military, since that has literally no effect on being combat effective. It reminds me a bit of the "don't ask, don't tell" stuff President Clinton tossed out there. It wasn't really changing much, but it let him put his name on something and it didn't hurt, so...
The controversial bit iof the LG+++++ is the part that was added into the grouping for political purposes: Trans... anything actually requiring extensive medication/surgery for an ongoing basis, leaving aside whether you think it is a legitimate thing or not, means you are no longer someone who can be counted on to do what is needed when it is needed. I was already long out when I became an insulin-dependent diabetic, but it still made me sad that it absolutely meant I could not be an effective soldier if we were ever desperate enough for a beat up old medic to be needed.

Of course, there are still folks who legitimately believe we are dealing with gender dysphoria here and not merely a need to put up rainbow flags and tell everyone "I'm okay, you're okay," but those folks will be shouted down anyways since those who have the power at the moment are in no way interested in actual discussion one way or the other.
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SFC Robert Walton
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Well I think we have forgot the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
Quite frankly it is none of my business what you do behind closed doors. But when your on the job this should not be an issue.

The New Military wants you to know everything about them including when and what kind of sex they had last, I see no reason for this to be a part of how you Soldier it does not make you a better Soldier and as of today they do not give awards for that kind of thing. If your partner, Husband, Wife, or what ever is a dependent I have no problem with that. This should not effect how you SOLDIER.
As a leader I see no need for this to effect how you Soldier how ever I need to know you have dependents how many and ages where they reside, disabilities, the same thing with every Soldier. NO I am not going to learn and entire new vocabulary so I can deal with you as a Soldier not happening.

If you find the need to stand on a soap box and proclaim you private life to the world then I find it important to remind you of the section 8. If you want to dream up Other non applicable things to make my job harder then we will deal with it one thing at a time.
Well I am special because I am a Man married to a Man.

I don't care if your married to the Presidents Sister your a Soldier first and I as a leader expect you to act like a Soldier. If doing so is a Problem we have regulations in place to fix that.

No I find no need to be more inclusive, You want a sex change pay for it and do it on your own time.
Before you say it NO I will not support you doing anything to yourself that takes away from Military training and functions. If you want the operation and you get it, and it affects how you Soldier then it would a be violation of your contract. Bye see ya! Anyway you get it. JMTC
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CSM William Everroad
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I don't think of it is as a proclamation as it is protection. I have had Soldiers who were ganged up on for simply being suspected of being homosexual during DADT. If the sentiment you have stated was more prevalent we wouldn't need to talk about it now.
DADT was great for heterosexuals because we didn't have to change how we talked to anyone. But anytime a conversation, even in passing, strayed into private life, a homosexual would have to guard their speech for fear of inadvertent "outing" and the inevitable reprisal.
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SFC Robert Walton
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"I have had Soldiers who were ganged up on for simply being suspected of being homosexual during DADT." Did you fix that Issue CSM?
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MSG Lonnie Averkamp
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Now, I'm not going to say that the following incident occurred, but.... IF, years ago, a gay soldier had made unwanted advancements in the shower, and IF I had turned the hot water on him, then WHO was the aggressor? Maybe if I was a member of some "offended" group, I could have gone crying to the Commanding Officer. As it was, the matter was settled "Out of Court". THAT is probably a reason why the "statistics" are so skewed in one direction.
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SPC Robert Conway
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No, you were simply a victim of an unwanted advance and responded violently to it.

Both parties were wrong. But you escalated it to assault.
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MSG Lonnie Averkamp
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This was prior to February 28, 1994. Perhaps, it would have been better if I had him put up for an Undesirable Discharge, and wear THAT around his neck for the rest of his life.
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SFC Robert Walton
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SPC Robert Conway - NO Wrong They were both Soldiers. The person that is the aggressor Is guilty of unwanted Sexual assault. The second was SELF DEFENSE against SEXUAL ASSAULT. KEEP YOUR HANDS TO YOUR SELF YOU HAVE PHSICALLY ASSULTED ANOTHER SOLDIER. I am pretty sure they do not teach shower groping anywhere in the Military. However they still teach self defense.
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Gays sexually harass gays. They go after each other and account for the majority of harassment cases.
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SGT Lorenzo Nieto
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What about my rights as a white male American.
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PFC David Foster
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You still have them.... so does every one else.... equal rights under the law....
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SFC Robert Walton
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PFC David Foster - I don't see them as equal rights i have see people discharge from the army with fixable issues but cost and lack of being deployable erased any chance of getting fix on the job but LGBTQ can just join up and get plenty of health care money spent to change them physically WOW can we say lopsided benefits? Dependent health care stopped because cost. Whitey is inherently racist this was posted about so the whole conversation has imploded into (we got to get whitey in line.) MT
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PFC David Foster
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SFC Robert Walton - I'm sorry fella, I can't make any sense of your argument. I wish everyone well though.... As far as I'm concerned, I have the same rights to the next person in line, no matter their skin color, sexual preference, or gender.
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PFC David Foster
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These people have always been fighting beside us among the ranks. Ones sexual preference, gender, skin color, religious choice, or other individual qualities have absolutely nothing to do with their patriotism or bravery....
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trans? Ummm, no sorry
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CW2 Michael MacInerney
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It use to be we were all the same in the military. Now one is protected with special privileges if they are different. Can anyone think of a better way to divide? What about courage, teamwork, discipline, temperance and loyalty?
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SFC Terry Chamberlin
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They just want special treatment with flags and a pride this and that I call bull.
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Cpl Raymond Wiltshire
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Joining the military is an act of personal commitment. You are willing to do what this country asks you to do to protect the freedom of our Republic. It makes no difference, in my opinion, what your personal believes are as long as you are willing and able to do your assigned duties.
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what about violent felons, the insane, convicted child molesters and other mental unstable and untrustworthy people? Many of those are willing, why do we keep them out?
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SFC Robert Walton
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SSG(P) (Join to see) - Nailed it they have a metal issue and are not dependable and pose a danger to the rest of the people either directly or indirectly. nothing else to b said.
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CPT Joseph Ogulin
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If you require what would be termed maintenance medication you are considered a non-deployable asset of the unit, which thus lowers the unit's readiness. By a maintenance medication I refer to people who are diabetic (insulin has storage requirements), have high blood pressure, high cholesterol, thyroid deficiencies, or anything similar. If you require any of these things you can only really serve in a fixed facility environment and that limits the number of positions available to you at your grade, otherwise your service comes to an end for medical reasons. The same would be true for transgender individuals preparing for gender reassignment surgery or post-operative. You cannot restrict the fixed facility assignments to only people with any of these conditions because those positions may be required for someone to have a normal career progression (one of my classmates in my CAS3 class was an OR nurse whose unit's deployment responsibility was to be backfill at Walter Reed Hospital). Ultimately it comes down to whether or not you can be deployed. If you require special conditions, treatment, medication, etc, then you are considered non-deployable and are therefore limited in how you can progress in the military. If you are willing to live with that as conditions of your service, fine. If not, sorry.
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