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Posted on Jul 5, 2022
Sydney Glynn
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There was the Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest Program (MAVNI) which was a pathway similar to what you spoke of. But the program apparently had some flaws and people were getting stuck in limbo. It was frozen then ultimately shuttered. But with adjustments, it may be viable again.

https://studyinthestates.dhs.gov/schools/additional-resources/what-is-mavni-information-for-designated-school-officials#:~:text=Military%20Accessions%20Vital%20to%20the,first%20obtaining%20lawful%20permanent%20residence.
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LTC Jason Mackay
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From what I just read here: https://www.uscis.gov/military/naturalization-through-military-service

I do not see how DoD has a piece of this process except for the N426 o e small section Certifying the period of service for those currently serving. Even if there is no central office while deployed, a company commander who also can award GCMs could certify service once all other conditions are met. Recommend updating AR600-20 to reflect.

This is a USCIS process. The VA has even less of a touch point. Unclear what the legal mandate is that drops this process in DoD/VA laps.

An executive order could prevent veteran and veteran family deportations.

The N400 looks odious but even if you filled in one page a day, you’d be done in 20 days and ready to file. Provided you did everything else.
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SSG Bill McCoy
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Interesting; I think anyone who served honorably, citizenship should be ALMOST automatic and at least weighed heavily in favor of citizenship.
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LTC Jason Mackay
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SSG Bill McCoy all of that is weighed. The documentation is not that much of a chore. I filled out that volume of forms just to get me and my family ID cards when I retired
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MAJ Byron Oyler
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SSG Bill McCoy - It is pretty fast, like eligibility within a year however the SM has to fill out the paperwork and do the process and herein lies most of the problem. When I was in Korea you in and out processed the building with the information on becoming a citizen, I remember it so vividly it was behind the Dragon Inn on Youngsan. The general public needs to be informed that the process is a DHS process and not something the DOD can drive. I have done the process with my wife from fiancé visa to citizenship so I am not talking out of my ass here.
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LCDR Robert S.
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The DOD's piece in this process is to make sure that commands are making it a priority to help their non-citizen personnel get through the process.

If I were still in and any of my people weren't citizens, the first thing I would do is familiarize myself with the relevant laws and USCIS procedures and determine how the law applied to them. Then I'd sit down with them and explain the benefits of citizenship and find out if they wanted to become citizens. If they didn't, I'd ask them about their reasons in order to determine whether they were making a fully informed choice and taking into account that plans for the future change. I'd point out that unless they were from a country where they lose their citizenship if they become citizens of another country, there are almost no future plans they could have that becoming a US citizen would interfere with, and that becoming a citizen would leave more doors open if their plans change. "Yes Seaman Snuffy, I know you plan to go back home after your enlistment and marry your sweetheart, but what if she decides just before your enlistment expires that she wants you to stay in the Navy and to get married and live in San Diego?" I probably would have enough tact to not say, "Well, what are you going to do if she dumps you?"

If they did want to become a citizen, I would do everything I could to make sure that they get time to complete their paperwork, and any help that they needed in doing so. "Yes, Ensign Jones, I know that Snuffy is a vital part of your division, which is all the more reason why you need to take care of him and make sure he has time to work on his citizenship application paperwork. And if he needs help doing the paperwork, someone needs to sit down with him and help his as he's working on it - if you and none of your other people can manage it, let me know and I'll find the time to do so." And I'd leave it to Jones to realize that if Snuffy doesn't get the time and help he needs, Jones will be very unhappy at Fitrep time. Then I'd check in with Snuffy from time to time to see how the process is going and make sure that he's making progress, and if he isn't, I'd make sure anything that I can do to help is getting done (and Jones is going to be very unhappy if the progress isn't happening as a result of something that Jones has the power to fix).
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I never considered this until they had us do the Top Down check of security clearances while I was in 1/10 SFG(A) in Bad Tölz. A large percentage of our senior (E-8 & 9) NCOs were not citizens despite 20(+) years of service, years of combat service and held high level security clearances. We got plenty of queries about them, but it seems no body really cared about where the came from when it came time to fight.
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I agree with reservations. Not to the primary goal of the bill, but to all the bad idea's that could find themselves attached to the bill prior to its passing.
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Cpl James Pedersen
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Citizenship should be fast tracked after receiving and honorable discharge; However, folks still need to vetted because nowadays we have cartel members joining the military to obtain combat skills to bring back to the cartels.
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SPC Jason Hurst
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Citizenship is ridiculous to obtain for most people. Anyone who's willing to serve in our armed forces should be automatically granted citizenship upon ets without any cost. There'd be a lot more tax payers and less people living off of the government if they were granted an easier path to citizenship.
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SSG Matt Wilson
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Last time I checked it’s done for some prior to enlisting and they get it quickly unless they fail make the 4 or 5 year service obligation so that number of deportation is misleading….also in is simple to do, my
Wife got her naturalization within a year or so of joining. Even deployed it can get done to some degree…even when one of guys got captured and murdered, his wife who wasn’t a citizen got helped out quickly…seems like this is just a uninformed knock on the services….well I know the Army makes it a priority…if the rest of the branches are slacking it’s on the chain of command and nco support channel failing them
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True patriotism is always distrusting a government that undermines it's citizenry. 1996 was when Bill Clinton signed the very laws everyone wants to change--election season must be around the corner.

Didn't one also gain citizenship AFTER their term of civil servitude? Oh well, I do know the constitution was ratified in 1788-89 under the Lee Resolution which resulted in our articles that outlined a foundation for civil justice soon thereafter changed to Amendments.

Unfortunately, that's not what rights are nor how they work.
A1C Leslie Peer
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I thought you had to be a us citizen to serve active duty
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PO1 Sam Deel
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I will be the naysayer here and oppose this measure. While it is admirable of those foreign nationals that choose to Serve our Nation, Citizenship should NEVER be bestowed. Does the Military bestow Rank and Privilege as a a matter of fact? Of course not. The French, during their ancien régime (prior to the French Revolution), bestowed Rank and Privilege upon Officers based on their Familial connections and place in society. As such, the French Military could not even defeat the British, till they joined forces with the American Colonists against England. Citizenship must be earned, not handed out as political favors or self-serving interests of individual groups. To do otherwise, weakens that bond which ties all Americans together.

Another feather in the cap Right now, the politicians hand out citizenship to anyone born within our Borders, Air Space or Territorial Waters. However, this is not granted to those on political or Military missions within the US. Therefore, it is not an absolute. Few Americans realize the major crux to this type of "birth" citizenship. For one, that child is born with dual-citizenship. A Citizen born child is not. A child born to foreign nationals, in this modern America, is most likely to be raised in a Family of non-citizens and in a household, that is either apathetic towards assimilation or downright hostile towards it. The public education system is all that stands to ensure that these Children become an integral part of our American Experiment, not antithetical jurors. Unfortunately, we have seen self-serving political interests who cry for Open Borders and easy citizenship, almost completely erode that system. No longer is the Pledge of Allegiance welcomed. US Government education is an afterthought. US History and Culture under assault, historical Leaders, assassinated. Spanish, along with Arabic in some places, being thrust upon the students with the same brevity of English. One of our former Commander in Chiefs once stated that English is the tie that binds and it is the duty of every new citizen to master it.

I Served with many foreign nationals in the Navy. Most, if not all, earned their US Citizenship. what I can agree with is that there is a higher standard placed upon these individuals than those who come to the US by any other means. If you read the Combined Federal Regulations on the subject, you will see that the US Attorney General has the legal authority to bypass Immigration Law by their discretion. As such, the legal rules of obtaining US Citizenship have been diminished to outright subverted under this pretext. In fact, we have numerous individuals that have "earned" US Citizenship without being able to read, write or speak English, whatsoever. They are allowed to have an interpreter, even for the Citizenship Test. With mass Citizenship swearing in ceremonies, they don't even have to make that Pledge of Allegiance. They can just stand there. Now couple this with the fact that dual-citizenship (once illegal), there are persons in the US who have citizenship, yet pledged no loyalties to this Nation and/or hold the interests of a foreign government above that of America.

All of these issues on citizenship are directly related. They must be scrutinized as an entire subject on the matter, as they are inextricably connected. It is the Duty of all Americans to protect the sanctity of Citizenship, in order for, this Nation to remain strong, not divided.
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