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Posted on Mar 2, 2017
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Great article MAJ (Join to see), thank you for sharing. My opinion on war goes back to High School boy behavior. Your always going to have those popular kids with all their followers behind them. When differences get in the way it's always the followers who seem to fight for the popular kid.
After it's all said and done the popular kids shake hands and become friends again and the followers go home with a few shiners and scraped up knees and elbow.
Only difference is when the popular kids shake hands after war, some of those kids don't get to come home. And the ones that do start wondering what it was we were fighting for in the first place?!...
everything starts off with a "cause", but in the end, when theirs no real gain and more loss?..

We can talk unity all day long, but in my opinion, unity is a mans fairy tale utopia. Nothing but words in a book.

Thank you for the article Sir., and your service.
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LTC Multifunctional Logistician
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If this is about national unity I think one just needs to look at history for the lesson. There have always been a sizable portion of Americans that were against the prevailing norms of the citizenry starting with our founding when America was divided between the loyalists to England and the King verses the new Americans that wanted their own freedom and a new system of government by the People. That division continued when the States went to war in our own Cilvil War. We have seen this division continue to when New York, Virginia, and Pennsylvania was attacked and politics soon divided a Nation that was united for a short period of time. And now today, with kinetic operations and targeted HVT drone operations in Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and Pakistan the People have been in the longest war period since the Revolutionary War Period and the citizenry is fatigued of war, conflict, and division.
I think the Opposition of the past is no longer. It used to be called the Loyal Opposition. I think that is what we are experiencing. We are no longer loyal to the principles of America but we are seeing a shift toward loyalty to political ideologies.
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Capt Richard I P.
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LTC (Join to see) Good points. I think those past eras with the loyal opposition may have missed some of the population that no one bothered to ask. Hard to say whether the percentage of fracture is higher or lower when the sample size hasn't been consistent over time.
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MAJ (Join to see) Excellent article sir. It depends on your values and beliefs. Vietnam mattered. I enlisted because helping South Vietnam was a just cause. In 1973, the Paris Peace Accords were signed. When North Vietnam invaded the South, our government discontinued support and we abandoned the ARVN and South Vietnamese people. When I returned home, I did not recognize our country. Part of it is a failed education system. We have too many folks that want our government to provide things to them, while having hate for America and what it stands for.

My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. John F. Kennedy
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnfkenn109213.html

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/paris-peace-accords-signed
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Cpl Vic Eizenga
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and we did When President Kennedy was assassinated I enlisted in the Marine Corps as soon as I could get my mother to sign the papers. I was 17
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Can America Fight Wars that Matter Anymore?
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Great article. I think for me, we must start by working together. Sure we do not need to agree on everything. In fact, I think the best solution often comes out of the different point of views. But what we need to do is to stop finding a way to separate us and find ways to unite us.
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LTC Marc King
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See the article on RP on Sweden reintroducing the draft! All in is what it will take... no more snowflakes... national service for all... men and women!
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MSgt James Mullis
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Thanks for posting this essay. I would answer your question (Can America Fight Wars that Matter Anymore?) with a resounding Yes. America has never fought a war with 100% backing of its people. Patriot's who are willing to serve, and fight, and to die for their country have always come from a relatively small minority of American Society and I do not believe that that group is smaller today than it was in the past.

Your article pointed out that our society and our social institutions are changing and that is absolutely true. I would suggest that America is in the midst of a silent war for the "Hearts, Minds, and Voice" of its people. However, this war is less a battle between the Left vs the Right or Communist/Socialist vs Capitalist, it is a battle between the stranglehold of political correctness and the ability of the American People to speak freely (even in its Churches) and to maintain an open dialog between those who have differing opinions. It's as potentially life changing as the culture wars of the 1960's. America's social mores changed dramatically when the hippies of the 1960's became the school teachers and college professors of the 1970's. They consolidated their control over our schools, media, and entertainment to a level that has more in common with the McCarthy era than the "Peace and Love" they had once professed.

What is happening now is an unorganized group of Americans from both the Right and the Left, Hillary Clinton called them the "Deplorable class" has gained a voice of its own, they have a like-minded President, and have become immune to the verbal attacks that used to make them cringe and run away in fear (i.e. being called Nazi, or racist, or misogynist, often by people who did not even know the meaning of the words they were using). They ignore or even make fun of the "narrative of control" used by the mainstream media. Their use of computers, smart phones. and social media ensures instant access to validate or invalidate the days Narrative/News stories. Just look at this mornings "narrative" that our AG Sessions had "nefariously" met with the "evil" Russians before the Presidential election. The morning shows were not even over before there were thousands of tweets and internet postings showing the hypocrisy of the story (Such as HRC had met with the Russian Ambassador 3 times in the same time period, but that was OK).

What gives me hope for the future is that the "Deplorable Class" is spread throughout America (even in California). Their one connection is a desire for facts and reality to win out over false narratives and political correctness and their numbers are way larger than the hippies of the 1960's. In the not to distant future they will quietly gain control of the Schools, the Universities, the Churches, and even the old media. Imagine an America whose basic Social Mores are linked to Truth...next will come Justice and the American way.
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MAJ (Join to see) Thanks for writing this post and being the creator of one of the rare topics worth treating seriously here anymore. Below please find my thoughts.

When was the last time the USA fought a war that mattered?
-GWOT/Iraq Afghanistan? Nope, vengeance poorly executed and/or low level continuous struggle to moderate effect unlikely to yield insights on cost-benefit analyses. Just or defensible reasons? Of course, but impactful movement against those reasons? I have strong doubts.
-Cold War? Maybe, but only in so much as we and USSR managed to avoid ending civilization, were the deployments and cost in blood and treasure essential to survival? Hard to parse.
-WWII? Maybe but probably not (big oceans and strong Navies meant that was more a balance of power move than survival).
-WWI? Definitely not, an ego move with our entangling alliances.
-Spanish American war? Pure imperial ego.
-Civil War? Yeah, I'll call that one necessary. It's that our fracture the union once, and who knows how many times after. Our national penance for our national original sin.
-The unending Indian wars? Another original sin.
-Mexican-American? Probably not, domestic threat or expansionist power grab?
-1812? Possibly, freedom of navigation to fledgling maritime dependent nation?
-Revolution? Definitely, almost a tautology, no USA as such without the AmRev (unless Canada's outcome is enviable, and maybe it is).

Are we likely to face similar conditions and requirements in the future? If we are can we follow a similar model to the one we did when we fought the last war?

Or a more subversive question: is the nation-state still the right answer to the question of how best to organize to protect individual liberties, maximize human civilization survival and promote human flourishing?
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I like your second part. But I see it as a fight between the question you posed and then which political party wants to (replace organize above with control) control individual liberty, maximize human civilization.....
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MCPO Roger Collins
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We will soon see, now that Mattis is in charge. I have full confidence our military is the finest in the world, all they needed was leadership that wasn't colored by politics and the PC agenda.
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Incredible read. Thanks so much for sharing it with us!
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MSG Intermediate Care Technician
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IMHO: In essence, not anymore......unless some country literally tries to invade the US or does an attack on the scale of 9/11 or worse. Too much today, any and all actions by the military are dictated by those that are so concerned about what the news outlets and social media think and perceive that it's almost impossible for the military to do anything that people will/can agree on. In order to fight a war that matters, the PEOPLE of the US need to be united on one single front to engage and destroy the enemies we face. Until that happens (which hasn't really happened since WW2), no war will ever matter to everyone except those that have to fight it. Look at 9/11. For a brief moment, the entire country was united to face the enemy and crush them. Which was great. We all put aside our differences for that moment because we were hit. We were hit hard. So no one had issues (minus one or two politicians) to deploy to war. But sadly, the vast majority of people seem to forget that people die in war. And the minute the first reports of US casualties coming in from the war(s), people started getting in an uproar and screaming to bring our people home. Until such time as the PEOPLE work for that united front, to stay the course, to be understanding that sacrifices are made, to see the mission done.....no war will ever matter anymore.
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MSG (Join to see) Fair points. Couldn't it be argued that such a condition is appropriate? That the people should only commit to wars that are required to respond to civilizational or survival threats?
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Capt Richard I P. - That could be argued, yes Sir.
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