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Posted on Mar 1, 2023
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LTC Trent Klug
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What they are saying is they want zero military personnel to have privately owned weapons in their homes. Either on post, base, or off-post housing.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
MAJ Byron Oyler
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SFC Greg Witte - People are more afraid of fraternization charges today than taking care of soldiers. I did some off roading with one of my specialists and even met him for shooting in the desert. Both things my leadership would have severely frowned upon but I knew him and what was going on in his life. We were not friends and he never called me by my first name and vice versa but I knew him. Need to be more favorable with things like this and really learn your SM.
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MSG Gregg Clement
MSG Gregg Clement
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Exactly what they want
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LTC Trent Klug
LTC Trent Klug
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MAJ Byron Oyler Well done!
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MSgt Tim Ulery
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PO3 Justin Bowen How can you not see that? 25 yoa to buy a gun? Waiting periods? Open your eyes
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
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Not IAW the second amendment. It is truly very sad when a Service member ( or anyone) takes their own life, that does not however mean that the rights of others should be impeded. If this would be the case then we would have no civil rights.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
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MSG Stan Hutchison Yes we gave up rights while serving however the powers that be keep missing is we take people sometimes with few skills, inner weakness, and build them up to achieve the mission no regardless the challenges. When that mission becomes suicide being focused on a means or a tools and not understanding the person in pain is where we fail. Until mental health experts learn we function different these suicides are not going down and thus the reasons suicides are greater than after WWII. We approached people different at that time when you could mail order a rifle from Sears.
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SGT John Schmelzkopf
SGT John Schmelzkopf
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First IMO, the Suicide rates have nothing or minimal to do with access to Firearms. We went through same after Nam and after Our Leaderships despicable sell out of Our Service. We never lost a Battle but lost the War! You come home to live with being Sold Out by your Country. Your Brothers Killed or Seriously Wounded, some died in your arms, for what, A Cowardly Leadership Command that would not take Responsible Action.
For example, from what I have heard and seen, Who the Hell put that Fiasco together, pick your Weakest Spot for the Few Remaining Troops to gather for withdrawal. Obvious it was either total stupidity by WH, Milli Vanilli, Austin and others, or Cowardice, run for the hills, it would not be PC to stop the Tali with a few Strafing Runs. We had that in Nam toward end, If VC had a few Saffron Robes amongst, it became a Nofire, even if you saw Weapons. Leave all that Gear behind, who came up with that one? I never thought of Suicide but I was very angry then and to this day, we needed to bomb North Vietnam after the Paris Peace Talks Failed to get a full accounting of POW's. Kissinger, "The Great Negotiator", gave a List of Likely Survived (about 380 if I remember right) at the beginning of the Talks, guess who we got back, brilliant MOVE ! We left at least a thousand unaccounted for, I always use the Airforce Weapons Officer's as example, they were valuable Intel and usually went straight to Russia.
The Suicide Programs are tricky, again in my opinion, the constant talk and Commercials can in themselves keep bringing the Thoughts back. Remember the Gunlock ones that claimed a Gun Lock could stop you, well imo it Brought Firearms and Suicide thoughts together.
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SSG John J Accornero
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Well said,
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CWO4 Terrence Clark
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You are likely surprized that I choose to file these recommendations in the bullsh*t! locker.
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Sgt Ed Allen
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BS - Repealing and replacing a law that prohibits the defense secretary from collecting or recording any information related to firearms or ammunition privately owned by a service member or DOD civilian employee.

Hmmm. Wouldn't that violate the Federal law against a gun registry?

Agreed - Standardizing DOD-approved firearm safety training so it covers topics such as suicide prevention, safe gun use and storage, and other best practices.

This should have been the priority for the last 200 years. Commanding officers, officers in general, and all NCOs should be looking after their men and women already.

Implementing a seven-day waiting period for any firearm purchased on DOD property.

BS - The person would just go off base and make the purchase. Why would this prevent suicides? It is just another BS maneuver to control the firearms.

Lots of BS - Implementing a four-day waiting period for ammunition purchases on DOD property after the purchase and receipt of a firearm bought on DOD property.

Once again, if you wanted to engage in violence against yourself, or anybody else, you would just go off base and purchase the ammo.

Super BS - Raising the minimum age to 25 years for purchasing firearms and ammunition on DOD property.

This is a violation of your constitutional rights. Interesting that in many states, they are no passing laws to allow 18 - 20-year olds to purchase firearms if they are a non-resident because they have the training on how to handle a firearm. But the DOD is thinking that you don't have the ability to be safe doing so.

ULTRA BS - Requiring anyone living on DOD property in military housing to register all privately owned firearms with the installation’s arming authority and to securely store all privately owned firearms in a locked safe or with another locking device.

Once again, infringing on your 2nd Amendment rights to have a firearm, and in this case, making it so that you would not have it available to you should you need it for self-defense. I absolutely agree with having it locked in a safe of some type. It can be an RFID, biometric, PIN Code or key activated storage device. This would be common sense and would keep children and thieves from gaining easy access to it. However, I disagree with PMO holding it.

BS - Establishing DOD policy restricting the possession and storage of privately owned firearms in military barracks and dormitories.

This rule was already in place in the 1980s, when I was serving, and it did not prevent one of my fellow marines from getting a gun and shooting himself in the head at the end of the flightline at Cherry Point. It provided a false sense of security. What if he had decided to start shooting people in the barracks instead. None of my fellow marines would have been able to defend themselves from an attack.


You will notice that the vast majority of recommendations in the report have to do with restricting the rights of service members. Very few of the recommendations have anything to do with mental health and actual suicide prevention.

A person who is suicidal will use whatever means is available. Knife, pills, rope, broken glass, alcohol, and, yes, even guns. It is not the choice of the tool that needs to be looked at and regulated. It is the actual responsibility of those around to watch their friends, fellow soldiers, marines, airmen, and sailors.

As service members, you are your brothers keeper. You should pay attention to what your barracks mates are doing and saying. There is almost always a sign that was seen but dismissed by saying it "isn't my responsibility". As a service member, it is your responsibility. If you were in combat, you would watch each other's back. You need to do it in garrison as well.
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CWO4 Terrence Clark
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Sgt Ed Allen Exactly! There are ample examples of failure of laws and regulations. Nothing replaces personal accountability, and nothing replaces leadership and accountability from E-1 to JCS.
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PO1 Kevin Dougherty
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Nailed it ...
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DOD should improve gun safety and take other “high-priority” steps to reduce service member suicides, independent panel says
MSG Billy Brumfield
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Improve gun safety to reduce suicides? Why not require PT Belts 24/7?
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CPT Ryan Kelly
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I understand what you are saying, but gun safety vs. jogging is not the same.
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MSG Billy Brumfield
MSG Billy Brumfield
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Gun safety is not the issue with suicides is my point. Poorly constructed hyperbole I suppose.

The military always comes up with a way to address an issue with a "fix" for an entirely unrelated issue.
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SPC Jerry Marrs
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MSG Stan Hutchison
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I see the same old arguments with no viable solutions offered.
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CPT Ryan Kelly
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Exactly.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
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Because working solutions today are not acceptable solutions. How well would it go over in suicide prevention class if I told everyone if you kill yourself you are a Blue Falcon, a Buddy Fucker? How well would it go over telling me people that suicide takes no pain away, it just pushes it on to your friends and loved ones? That you are going to hell?
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SGM Bill Frazer
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Look, there are already regs covering not being able to store weapons in gov't quarters, they must be stored in unit arms rooms and signed out with the permission of the CoC. Guns just don't lay around legally!
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MSG Stan Hutchison
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I believe that is at the local commanders discretion.
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PO3 Justin Bowen
PO3 Justin Bowen
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And yet, they still lay around. The law has little to do with reality until reality intersects with the actual meting out of justice.
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Sgt Ed Allen
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The marine in my unit who shot himself did so on base with a firearm that he kept elsewhere. None of the regs listed would have stopped him. If not a gun, then a knife would have most likely been used.

Infringing on service member's rights does not insure the safety of others.
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SGM Bill Frazer
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PO3 Justin Bowen - I was trained around guns since I was 3, my family had them, I knew where they were but also knew not to touch them. Examined them when I was 10 on the sly, but knew enough to not point, stay away free the trigger and unload them 1st, then return them to their original state and pray my parents didn't notice. If someone is determined to die, they will regardless what you put in their way , talking to them may help, or not, it is their choice!
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I don't think "safety" and suicides are correlated. Being safer isn't going to prevent suicides. I will agree being safer will help prevent accidents.

What is correlated with suicided by firearms is ACCESS to firearms, but they call it safety as a ruse.

Now, I'm going to get a lot of heat for this. I think there is a propensity for folks at their wits end to get out of bad situations in life to join the military. I don't know what those numbers are, but I theorize they are statistically significant.

So those that make it into the system who were running from other things in life now find themselves in a system that is astronomically even more controlling and where even smaller things in life are a bigger deal (like being the last one out of bed at 0500 becomes the END OF THE WORLD) I can see why there is a statistically significant correlation to suicides in the military. There is a sub population of folks that join the military who are at the staged of "screw my life, I'm joining the military". Then when they do join, and the military isn't the solution they were running too, and now they are trapped, what options do we think they explore next?

I was never more concerned about my physical safety in the military than while in BCT, and less so in AIT (because I was in intel, and at least my peers and I were vetted for TS/SCI so we were a little less on the crazy scale).

Basic Training was all about: "Good Lord, get me away from these lunatics that snuck through MEPS".

Then I became a Company Commander, and welp, some of them snuck through MEPS. I'm fortunate to say no one killed themselves under my watch, but the whole time I have my hunches, some of them needed the preventative services the military offers, and we got them there.

But I could see it a mile away. Some soldiers need an extra eye.

As long as the military is a location folks can try and fall back on in life as a last desperate attempt to right their lives the challenge with suicide is always going to be statistically significant to our CDC categorized career field.

If the military was only filled with happy go lucky folks who have their shit together suicides will plummet.
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SSG Gregg Mourizen
SSG Gregg Mourizen
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I have to say, I agree with you.
There is a huge difference between weapons safety and suicide prevention. The act of suicide, is the intentional act of ignoring all safety protocols, to end yourself. Some call it an act of cowardice, other a last act of desperation.
As long as mental health is stigmatized in the military, suicide will be a problem.
Yes, filtering at the MEOS level should be more stringent.
Yes safety programs help, if you squeeze suicide prevention in there.
However no amount of safety and training will prevent suicides, unless the programs in place are acceptable and accessible to personnel, without attaching a stigma to them.
As for trying to take away a service members 2A rights, that is totally unacceptable. As an act of suicide prevention, that would be worthless. A suicidal person would just find another way, or wait until the next range day. It has happened before, and will always be one of the most significant preventable risks on the range.
Here we have a policy that threatens those who are not at risk, to try and suppress those who are.
At the recruiting level, how hard do you think it will be to retain troops, one they try to introduce such an incompetent rule? A good potion of the military are gun nuts and enthusiasts. How fast of a hemorrhage do you think a policy like this would create in retention and recruiting?
Just say no.
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SSG Gregg Mourizen - at the end of the day it's those held accountable to the numbers deflecting the accountability to a policy they can point to showing they have covered down on it.

Remember, there are leaders out there that implemented the new Fitness Program, who got awards an accolades, retired (I'm sure) and then on the execution of the new standards ended up causing a series of events the Department of the Army had to account for itself in a Senate Hearing. How is that a measure of success?
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SGT Ruben Lozada
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Excellent post. Thank You for sharing this. But, I disagree with this article, because it sounds as if they want all Military members not to own any type of weapons.
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PO3 Justin Bowen
PO3 Justin Bowen
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Or...is it possible that you just want the article to say that?
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SGT Ruben Lozada
SGT Ruben Lozada
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PO3 Justin Bowen, not sure who You're addressing here.
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SR DiLynn Stephens
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PO3 Justin Bowen
PO3 Justin Bowen
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SGT Ruben Lozada you. Where does it even remotely suggest that that?
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"Taking methods to slow down convenient access to highly lethal methods, like firearms, is the single most effective strategy for saving lives."

What?! So to address the problem of mental health we're NOT going to address the problem of mental health?

That's like saying the best way to keep people from obesity is to take food away from them.
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1SG Jeremy Evans
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Imagine being an experienced 24 year old Ranger Fire Team Leader responsible for numerous troops and weapons then being told that you're not "responsible" enough to purchase a personal weapon on post.
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