Posted on Dec 8, 2017
Fighting Against the Movies: Not Everyone Pulls Triggers
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Recently, I have found myself having long conversations with civilians about the military. I am a full time student at a private university in Kansas and much of the faculty and student body has never even thought about joining the military. It isn’t anything strange; this is to be expected at such a small school and the fact that the military makes up less than 1% of the population of the country. What is interesting is that many of them have only the movies to go off of when forming their view of what everyone does in the military. Sadly, making movies about productive supply sergeants and personnel clerks doesn’t really make people line up outside of the theaters. Many civilians, in my experience, have this idea in their head that every single member of the military is out on the battlefield, kicking in doors and getting shot at or blown up. Those of us who have spent any amount of time in the military knows that this is far from the reality of the military. Perhaps this is where recruiting takes the biggest hit.
I spoke to a professor of mine who is going through a point in her life where she is trying to make a transition from her current position to a new one. As she was looking through openings at different universities across the country to put in a packet for the position, I made a joke about how she should just go and commission in the Air Force or something. Don’t get me wrong, I loved being in the Army, but I also know the kind of people that would be able to be successful in the Army and she is far more suited for the Air Force. She actually took the comment seriously. The money as an officer is more than she is making now. The opportunity for advancement is obviously there. The only real concern that she had was that she didn’t want to find herself in Iraq or Afghanistan in a year, getting shot at and blown up. I couldn’t help but to laugh.
I began to explain how the military is made up of many occupations that have almost nothing to do with direct combat. This was new information for her. As I began to name off occupations like public affairs, logistics, intelligence, and clerical her eyes went wide. I tried to break it down in the easiest way that I could by telling her that you can think of the military as a microcosm for the country. We know that the military makes up less than 1% of the population in the United States and in almost an exact, similar fashion, those who work as combat arms occupations (such as infantry, tankers, and cavalry) make up about 1% of the military. I went on to break down the military into the three categories that we all know and love: combat, combat-support, and support. I finished up by explaining that, if she chose a certain occupation, the chances of her being involved in direct combat were slim to none. I will follow that statement up by saying that I did tell her that there is always the possibility and that there are still non-combat service members that are injured or killed in combat.
This entire conversation made me wonder if this woman’s view of the military, where everyone is running around with fully automatic rifles, night vision goggles, going in under the cover of night and wrecking shop, is really what the rest of the country thinks is all that is done. They don’t know what goes on behind the scenes; they don’t know what goes into conducting a single mission long before the first HMMWV rolls out of the FOB. After this thought, I began to wonder if this is why many people don’t give military service a single thought.
Next, I wondered if this same idea is why we have so many guys, or gals, who leave the military honorably after serving in a support role and decide to go out and say that they were Delta Force Seal Special Ranger Snipers or whatever the kids are saying these days. Are all of the recent military movies that glorify only that small percentage to blame for these issues? When we really begin to think about it, if combat arms is such a small population within our military, just how small is the population that works as a member of these special groups? It is tiny.
I do not know what the remedy for this issue is. I do not think that there should be a ban on military movies glorifying heroism and bravery under fire, even if I do find that many of the movies are awful. What is there that can be done though? Is there any way that we can properly educate citizens on what makes up the military? How can we also get it through the minds of our people that get out after serving that there is no need to act like something that you were not?
The military takes all kinds. It is a giant machine that requires numerous moving parts. If one part fails, every cog in the machine grinds to a halt or, at a minimum, does not function nearly as well as it needs to.
I spoke to a professor of mine who is going through a point in her life where she is trying to make a transition from her current position to a new one. As she was looking through openings at different universities across the country to put in a packet for the position, I made a joke about how she should just go and commission in the Air Force or something. Don’t get me wrong, I loved being in the Army, but I also know the kind of people that would be able to be successful in the Army and she is far more suited for the Air Force. She actually took the comment seriously. The money as an officer is more than she is making now. The opportunity for advancement is obviously there. The only real concern that she had was that she didn’t want to find herself in Iraq or Afghanistan in a year, getting shot at and blown up. I couldn’t help but to laugh.
I began to explain how the military is made up of many occupations that have almost nothing to do with direct combat. This was new information for her. As I began to name off occupations like public affairs, logistics, intelligence, and clerical her eyes went wide. I tried to break it down in the easiest way that I could by telling her that you can think of the military as a microcosm for the country. We know that the military makes up less than 1% of the population in the United States and in almost an exact, similar fashion, those who work as combat arms occupations (such as infantry, tankers, and cavalry) make up about 1% of the military. I went on to break down the military into the three categories that we all know and love: combat, combat-support, and support. I finished up by explaining that, if she chose a certain occupation, the chances of her being involved in direct combat were slim to none. I will follow that statement up by saying that I did tell her that there is always the possibility and that there are still non-combat service members that are injured or killed in combat.
This entire conversation made me wonder if this woman’s view of the military, where everyone is running around with fully automatic rifles, night vision goggles, going in under the cover of night and wrecking shop, is really what the rest of the country thinks is all that is done. They don’t know what goes on behind the scenes; they don’t know what goes into conducting a single mission long before the first HMMWV rolls out of the FOB. After this thought, I began to wonder if this is why many people don’t give military service a single thought.
Next, I wondered if this same idea is why we have so many guys, or gals, who leave the military honorably after serving in a support role and decide to go out and say that they were Delta Force Seal Special Ranger Snipers or whatever the kids are saying these days. Are all of the recent military movies that glorify only that small percentage to blame for these issues? When we really begin to think about it, if combat arms is such a small population within our military, just how small is the population that works as a member of these special groups? It is tiny.
I do not know what the remedy for this issue is. I do not think that there should be a ban on military movies glorifying heroism and bravery under fire, even if I do find that many of the movies are awful. What is there that can be done though? Is there any way that we can properly educate citizens on what makes up the military? How can we also get it through the minds of our people that get out after serving that there is no need to act like something that you were not?
The military takes all kinds. It is a giant machine that requires numerous moving parts. If one part fails, every cog in the machine grinds to a halt or, at a minimum, does not function nearly as well as it needs to.
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We have the mainstream media to thank for the skewed perception that our fellow citizens have of the military, even when it comes to our own families. As a former hospital corpsman, I served with Navy and Marine commands which has led to the question when someone who knows me who has seen me wearing cammies and says, "I thought you were in the Navy and worked in hospitals."
I agree with SSGT Dickey who said, "I do not know if there really is a way to educate all of the public about what the military entails." With the increased use of irregular warfare in today's missions its even harder for the public to comprehend the logistical support structure that supports it all.
I get particularly get annoyed of inaccurate portrayals of the military and its personnel in the news and in the movies. I doubt they will ever get it.
I agree with SSGT Dickey who said, "I do not know if there really is a way to educate all of the public about what the military entails." With the increased use of irregular warfare in today's missions its even harder for the public to comprehend the logistical support structure that supports it all.
I get particularly get annoyed of inaccurate portrayals of the military and its personnel in the news and in the movies. I doubt they will ever get it.
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Good post, thanks SGT Gunderson. I use tp have a similar conversation with parents, faculty and, students, when serving as a Professor of Military Science on a college campus. It's amazing what our citizens don't know about our Army / the military! Best thing we can do, as you did, is set them straight!!
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SFC Greg Bruorton
I was once asked by an innocent if I'd ever jumped behind enemy lines. I replied, "That was in World War II! The enemy lines are no longer distinguishable in today's conflicts."
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CPO David Ransom
SFC Greg Bruorton - if you were a Recruiter, they were asking if you'd ever been on a college or high school campus.
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SFC Greg Bruorton
CPO David Ransom - A question had not been posed by Sergeant Gunderson in his narrative. I simply added a comment I had with a civilian on a college campus.
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So true! Thanks for sharing.
One of the nurses I work with had the strangest ideas of a nurse in the USAF and she works with me at a maximum security prison with me. I said your personality and resiliance lends itself to at least one look. She was excited and has been persistently asking me more questions.
One of the nurses I work with had the strangest ideas of a nurse in the USAF and she works with me at a maximum security prison with me. I said your personality and resiliance lends itself to at least one look. She was excited and has been persistently asking me more questions.
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Lauren Katzenburg can attest to this true combat war story that you can make into a movie that will finally set it straight for many...The calls to prayer had ended but strangely they still seemed to echo through the stifling hot air. Even this early the sun seemed merciless but I had to go on, the mission, my men, I just couldn't fail. I struggled to move again, digging deep down to find the strength to move just a little more. I knew it wouldn't be easy to get by unseen; But I had to make it. I ducked into an alley trying not to breathe in too much of the foul smells. Good god what did those people eat last night...at the end was a danger area, I just knew it was the end. Would it be a sniper, an IED, or worse, the CSM....I MUST GO ON. I sprinted across ran to the door and NOOOOOOOO the horrors. Yes PTSD even to this day...GREEN BEANS WAS CLOSED. THE LIFE OF A FOBBIT ISN'T ALWAYS EASY.
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MSG David Johnson
MAJ William Roberts
Great story, I was spellbound til you hit the danger zone...
Great start to a short story.
Great story, I was spellbound til you hit the danger zone...
Great start to a short story.
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Funny, I was just having this discussion with one of my battles that the majority of the Army is to support Infantry and combat MOS's but, by and large the military is a machine to get personnel and equipment trained and from point A to the battlefield. Its very rare a non-combat MOS will be in a war zone and be engaged in an actual firefight. My hats off to the brave Soldiers who encounter that on a semi-regular basis but, I knew what I signed up for and what I was expecting, my recruiter was pretty honest.
I hope we do see more support for doing regular jobs that civilians might do but, in a tactical or strategic manner to support a combat situation.
I hope we do see more support for doing regular jobs that civilians might do but, in a tactical or strategic manner to support a combat situation.
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MSG David Johnson
During my second deployment I went over with a Transportation unit, we were running unarmored KBR trucks with 3000 gal fuel tankers.
The unit was mostly made up of 88M (Truck Drivers), but there were several of us who were 12B (Combat Engineers).
For a non combat MOS the unit went through several ambushes. No sustained firefights because speed was our friend, but there were injuries from IED's.
The unit was mostly made up of 88M (Truck Drivers), but there were several of us who were 12B (Combat Engineers).
For a non combat MOS the unit went through several ambushes. No sustained firefights because speed was our friend, but there were injuries from IED's.
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Wait wait wait, you mean everyone is NOT a SEAL or SpecOps!? Noooo!! It can’t be true!!
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MAJ William Roberts
I was in the Green (Been) Beret we established it in Iraq and had a second BN in Kabul AFG. I figure only people who were there will get it anyway. :)
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SFC Quinn Chastant
You mean Civil Affairs wasn't Special Ops? Awe I'm heart broken now. ;) hahahaha...
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I suppose no one would go see a movie without any action in it. People like to imagine themselves as a fighter pilot, special forces operator, or marine. It would be kind of hard to make a movie featuring personnel clerks and comm center operators. But one thing is for sure. It doesn't make any difference what your mos is, you could wind up in a combat zone.
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SFC Greg Bruorton
Shucks, a prolific writer might pen a story about an *RTT operator in the jungles of Vietnam, having exposed themselves to the VC and surviving through sheer willpower and determination. When the generator runs out of gas and the **J-38 becomes inoperable, the brave Specialist relies on his trusty M-16, a bayonet, and C-rations to get him back to base. And he sleeps under his camouflaged poncho just as the Special Forces troops did. Damned Sterno cans don't last long enough though.
*Radio-Teletype
**Morse code transmitter
*Radio-Teletype
**Morse code transmitter
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SPC Wanda Vergara-Yates
But, there is a lot of action in Personnel. Ok, the action takes place in your brain and on paper you are processing, but it is action.....until it camps out in your supervisor's inbox while he / she has to tend to some other action that is higher priority than your action. But then you get action by sitting in a hot seat that does not belong to you, but you still have to go to represent the person it belongs to because everyone between you and them is at a meeting. See? Personnel clerks see action too. It just has a different flavor.
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MSG David Johnson
I used to read about the shyte burning details in Vietnam, then having to deal with it in Desert Storm, Nasty!
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I spent 5 years enlisted before I went to college on an NROTC scholarship in 1990. Because the Gulf War was just kicking off, and everybody in my dorm knew I was military, I got some of the most off-the-wall questions. Most of them weren't the sort of thing that a Navy Electronics Technician would know, except that I did a lot of reading and did know some of them.
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Same here. When I say I retired from the Air Force I get asked if I flew a plane or I’m treated like I was in some elite secret society.
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