Posted on Dec 8, 2017
Fighting Against the Movies: Not Everyone Pulls Triggers
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Recently, I have found myself having long conversations with civilians about the military. I am a full time student at a private university in Kansas and much of the faculty and student body has never even thought about joining the military. It isn’t anything strange; this is to be expected at such a small school and the fact that the military makes up less than 1% of the population of the country. What is interesting is that many of them have only the movies to go off of when forming their view of what everyone does in the military. Sadly, making movies about productive supply sergeants and personnel clerks doesn’t really make people line up outside of the theaters. Many civilians, in my experience, have this idea in their head that every single member of the military is out on the battlefield, kicking in doors and getting shot at or blown up. Those of us who have spent any amount of time in the military knows that this is far from the reality of the military. Perhaps this is where recruiting takes the biggest hit.
I spoke to a professor of mine who is going through a point in her life where she is trying to make a transition from her current position to a new one. As she was looking through openings at different universities across the country to put in a packet for the position, I made a joke about how she should just go and commission in the Air Force or something. Don’t get me wrong, I loved being in the Army, but I also know the kind of people that would be able to be successful in the Army and she is far more suited for the Air Force. She actually took the comment seriously. The money as an officer is more than she is making now. The opportunity for advancement is obviously there. The only real concern that she had was that she didn’t want to find herself in Iraq or Afghanistan in a year, getting shot at and blown up. I couldn’t help but to laugh.
I began to explain how the military is made up of many occupations that have almost nothing to do with direct combat. This was new information for her. As I began to name off occupations like public affairs, logistics, intelligence, and clerical her eyes went wide. I tried to break it down in the easiest way that I could by telling her that you can think of the military as a microcosm for the country. We know that the military makes up less than 1% of the population in the United States and in almost an exact, similar fashion, those who work as combat arms occupations (such as infantry, tankers, and cavalry) make up about 1% of the military. I went on to break down the military into the three categories that we all know and love: combat, combat-support, and support. I finished up by explaining that, if she chose a certain occupation, the chances of her being involved in direct combat were slim to none. I will follow that statement up by saying that I did tell her that there is always the possibility and that there are still non-combat service members that are injured or killed in combat.
This entire conversation made me wonder if this woman’s view of the military, where everyone is running around with fully automatic rifles, night vision goggles, going in under the cover of night and wrecking shop, is really what the rest of the country thinks is all that is done. They don’t know what goes on behind the scenes; they don’t know what goes into conducting a single mission long before the first HMMWV rolls out of the FOB. After this thought, I began to wonder if this is why many people don’t give military service a single thought.
Next, I wondered if this same idea is why we have so many guys, or gals, who leave the military honorably after serving in a support role and decide to go out and say that they were Delta Force Seal Special Ranger Snipers or whatever the kids are saying these days. Are all of the recent military movies that glorify only that small percentage to blame for these issues? When we really begin to think about it, if combat arms is such a small population within our military, just how small is the population that works as a member of these special groups? It is tiny.
I do not know what the remedy for this issue is. I do not think that there should be a ban on military movies glorifying heroism and bravery under fire, even if I do find that many of the movies are awful. What is there that can be done though? Is there any way that we can properly educate citizens on what makes up the military? How can we also get it through the minds of our people that get out after serving that there is no need to act like something that you were not?
The military takes all kinds. It is a giant machine that requires numerous moving parts. If one part fails, every cog in the machine grinds to a halt or, at a minimum, does not function nearly as well as it needs to.
I spoke to a professor of mine who is going through a point in her life where she is trying to make a transition from her current position to a new one. As she was looking through openings at different universities across the country to put in a packet for the position, I made a joke about how she should just go and commission in the Air Force or something. Don’t get me wrong, I loved being in the Army, but I also know the kind of people that would be able to be successful in the Army and she is far more suited for the Air Force. She actually took the comment seriously. The money as an officer is more than she is making now. The opportunity for advancement is obviously there. The only real concern that she had was that she didn’t want to find herself in Iraq or Afghanistan in a year, getting shot at and blown up. I couldn’t help but to laugh.
I began to explain how the military is made up of many occupations that have almost nothing to do with direct combat. This was new information for her. As I began to name off occupations like public affairs, logistics, intelligence, and clerical her eyes went wide. I tried to break it down in the easiest way that I could by telling her that you can think of the military as a microcosm for the country. We know that the military makes up less than 1% of the population in the United States and in almost an exact, similar fashion, those who work as combat arms occupations (such as infantry, tankers, and cavalry) make up about 1% of the military. I went on to break down the military into the three categories that we all know and love: combat, combat-support, and support. I finished up by explaining that, if she chose a certain occupation, the chances of her being involved in direct combat were slim to none. I will follow that statement up by saying that I did tell her that there is always the possibility and that there are still non-combat service members that are injured or killed in combat.
This entire conversation made me wonder if this woman’s view of the military, where everyone is running around with fully automatic rifles, night vision goggles, going in under the cover of night and wrecking shop, is really what the rest of the country thinks is all that is done. They don’t know what goes on behind the scenes; they don’t know what goes into conducting a single mission long before the first HMMWV rolls out of the FOB. After this thought, I began to wonder if this is why many people don’t give military service a single thought.
Next, I wondered if this same idea is why we have so many guys, or gals, who leave the military honorably after serving in a support role and decide to go out and say that they were Delta Force Seal Special Ranger Snipers or whatever the kids are saying these days. Are all of the recent military movies that glorify only that small percentage to blame for these issues? When we really begin to think about it, if combat arms is such a small population within our military, just how small is the population that works as a member of these special groups? It is tiny.
I do not know what the remedy for this issue is. I do not think that there should be a ban on military movies glorifying heroism and bravery under fire, even if I do find that many of the movies are awful. What is there that can be done though? Is there any way that we can properly educate citizens on what makes up the military? How can we also get it through the minds of our people that get out after serving that there is no need to act like something that you were not?
The military takes all kinds. It is a giant machine that requires numerous moving parts. If one part fails, every cog in the machine grinds to a halt or, at a minimum, does not function nearly as well as it needs to.
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Yes, ... Vietnam, they would never be able to show base fire trucks on the tarmac pressure spraying water into C130's to remove the pools of blood from the wounded or deceased servicemen, so the aircraft could then be considered "sterilized" and Safe (?) Ready to transport more personnel/supplies back into Nam.. What of the Evacs related to the Tet Offensive.. What of the Army ... the 7th Cavalry ... The USS Repose, The USS Sanctuary.. Show the TRUE Neglect of the Vietnam Veterans, the suffering, the denials, the diseases caused by exposure directly/indirectly with A/O.. Show these spirited young men who served their country, With HONOR, and for those who returned home only to have promises made to them be denied !! To have to face YEARS of lies and neglect... suffering and abandonment.. This is our Government, they are on our side !! **MAYBE** 45-50 + YEARS of Abuse, Neglect .. and abandonment.. THIS is... ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CALL OF DUTY !! Instead of constant lying, order the Government to release ALL the (still classified) Vietnam files so the entire country can see the total truths of the Vietnam War, the experiments, the sick treatment our Veterans had to endure... and start to lead this country BY EXAMPLE not B.S.
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Very well said, maybe you should be a recruiter. Haha, just kidding, you would hate the job, it's easier, and more fun just to talk and answer people's questions about the military. If you had to fill quotas it would get too stressful, but it sounds as if you enjoy educating civilians about what the military is actually about.
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When I was in 'Nam, we couldn't wear our Army Security Agency shoulder patch. We wore the MACV patch. One thing we were told was that NVA and VC knew who we were. If we were captured, we were gone for good. The Russians were very interested in us which I figured that meant that we were going to be sent way north. Most of us didn't have rifles all of the time. When we did; they were M14s. I never was trained on an M16. I saw a Green Beret carrying one. I thought it was a funny looking weapon.
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I agree but to be honest SGT Gunderson there are some Veterans that believe bunk as well because they served in Army units that did basically nothing after the Berlin Wall fell or just prior to it. I run into them all the time online and if I hear the phrase one more time "In the Cold War all we did was drink beer and play cards".... I think I am going to really going to lose it and be an azz to that future poster. Yes, that was the focus of some units in the Army back then BUT NOT ALL OF THEM. Everyones service is different and back then the Army units were radically different between each unit. Some units sucked and basically did nothing others took their mission seriously and had to because they were with Airborne Corps. It's bad to generalize if your a Vet or a Civilian. I counted 4 overseas BN level deployments the 101st made while I was assigned to that unit in the 1980's in a approx 18 month period. My unit only did one to Honduras but the other units were flying to the Middle East, Panama, and Korea. In addition to the EDRE drills as well as the regular field training, etc. It fell short of the rapid OPTEMPO and "everybody goes" methods of the GWOT (no argument there) but it wasn't a unit that did nothing. Niether was the 82nd Airborne, or some of the units in Korea.
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This isnot an easy subject to explain to covilians from all walks of life. Explaining the non combat positions would take a movie franchise of Lord of the Ring proportions. You must have impressed your professor greatly. Let's hope she lands a career field she enjoys and not one that migjt make she come back gunning for you.
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Some people seek out ways to serve others. This often includes putting oneself in harms way. Other people seek out ways to earn a living peacefully. There is no right answer to this quandary or what might appear to be a contradiction in values. IMHO, people act based on their values and their interests. People's values should not be debated or argued. To do so could deny individuals the right to choose a life for themselves.
Movies tell stories. The stories often teach some lesson about life, happiness, or being apart of something larger than oneself. Lessons are important for generations to pass on to their posterity.
Movies tell stories. The stories often teach some lesson about life, happiness, or being apart of something larger than oneself. Lessons are important for generations to pass on to their posterity.
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I agree, they think just because they went to college they know more than someone who worked and learned by on the job training. We had the experience not them.
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4 years ago when i joined the navy, i had zero knowledge of what being in the Navy was supposed to be other than how the navy is always on ships, etc.. fast forward 4 years i’m a HM3 serving on a marine base, no ships. It was an eye opener for me. The military will put you where they need you and it won’t always be on the front lines or on a destroyer every time.
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