Posted on Dec 8, 2017
Fighting Against the Movies: Not Everyone Pulls Triggers
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Recently, I have found myself having long conversations with civilians about the military. I am a full time student at a private university in Kansas and much of the faculty and student body has never even thought about joining the military. It isn’t anything strange; this is to be expected at such a small school and the fact that the military makes up less than 1% of the population of the country. What is interesting is that many of them have only the movies to go off of when forming their view of what everyone does in the military. Sadly, making movies about productive supply sergeants and personnel clerks doesn’t really make people line up outside of the theaters. Many civilians, in my experience, have this idea in their head that every single member of the military is out on the battlefield, kicking in doors and getting shot at or blown up. Those of us who have spent any amount of time in the military knows that this is far from the reality of the military. Perhaps this is where recruiting takes the biggest hit.
I spoke to a professor of mine who is going through a point in her life where she is trying to make a transition from her current position to a new one. As she was looking through openings at different universities across the country to put in a packet for the position, I made a joke about how she should just go and commission in the Air Force or something. Don’t get me wrong, I loved being in the Army, but I also know the kind of people that would be able to be successful in the Army and she is far more suited for the Air Force. She actually took the comment seriously. The money as an officer is more than she is making now. The opportunity for advancement is obviously there. The only real concern that she had was that she didn’t want to find herself in Iraq or Afghanistan in a year, getting shot at and blown up. I couldn’t help but to laugh.
I began to explain how the military is made up of many occupations that have almost nothing to do with direct combat. This was new information for her. As I began to name off occupations like public affairs, logistics, intelligence, and clerical her eyes went wide. I tried to break it down in the easiest way that I could by telling her that you can think of the military as a microcosm for the country. We know that the military makes up less than 1% of the population in the United States and in almost an exact, similar fashion, those who work as combat arms occupations (such as infantry, tankers, and cavalry) make up about 1% of the military. I went on to break down the military into the three categories that we all know and love: combat, combat-support, and support. I finished up by explaining that, if she chose a certain occupation, the chances of her being involved in direct combat were slim to none. I will follow that statement up by saying that I did tell her that there is always the possibility and that there are still non-combat service members that are injured or killed in combat.
This entire conversation made me wonder if this woman’s view of the military, where everyone is running around with fully automatic rifles, night vision goggles, going in under the cover of night and wrecking shop, is really what the rest of the country thinks is all that is done. They don’t know what goes on behind the scenes; they don’t know what goes into conducting a single mission long before the first HMMWV rolls out of the FOB. After this thought, I began to wonder if this is why many people don’t give military service a single thought.
Next, I wondered if this same idea is why we have so many guys, or gals, who leave the military honorably after serving in a support role and decide to go out and say that they were Delta Force Seal Special Ranger Snipers or whatever the kids are saying these days. Are all of the recent military movies that glorify only that small percentage to blame for these issues? When we really begin to think about it, if combat arms is such a small population within our military, just how small is the population that works as a member of these special groups? It is tiny.
I do not know what the remedy for this issue is. I do not think that there should be a ban on military movies glorifying heroism and bravery under fire, even if I do find that many of the movies are awful. What is there that can be done though? Is there any way that we can properly educate citizens on what makes up the military? How can we also get it through the minds of our people that get out after serving that there is no need to act like something that you were not?
The military takes all kinds. It is a giant machine that requires numerous moving parts. If one part fails, every cog in the machine grinds to a halt or, at a minimum, does not function nearly as well as it needs to.
I spoke to a professor of mine who is going through a point in her life where she is trying to make a transition from her current position to a new one. As she was looking through openings at different universities across the country to put in a packet for the position, I made a joke about how she should just go and commission in the Air Force or something. Don’t get me wrong, I loved being in the Army, but I also know the kind of people that would be able to be successful in the Army and she is far more suited for the Air Force. She actually took the comment seriously. The money as an officer is more than she is making now. The opportunity for advancement is obviously there. The only real concern that she had was that she didn’t want to find herself in Iraq or Afghanistan in a year, getting shot at and blown up. I couldn’t help but to laugh.
I began to explain how the military is made up of many occupations that have almost nothing to do with direct combat. This was new information for her. As I began to name off occupations like public affairs, logistics, intelligence, and clerical her eyes went wide. I tried to break it down in the easiest way that I could by telling her that you can think of the military as a microcosm for the country. We know that the military makes up less than 1% of the population in the United States and in almost an exact, similar fashion, those who work as combat arms occupations (such as infantry, tankers, and cavalry) make up about 1% of the military. I went on to break down the military into the three categories that we all know and love: combat, combat-support, and support. I finished up by explaining that, if she chose a certain occupation, the chances of her being involved in direct combat were slim to none. I will follow that statement up by saying that I did tell her that there is always the possibility and that there are still non-combat service members that are injured or killed in combat.
This entire conversation made me wonder if this woman’s view of the military, where everyone is running around with fully automatic rifles, night vision goggles, going in under the cover of night and wrecking shop, is really what the rest of the country thinks is all that is done. They don’t know what goes on behind the scenes; they don’t know what goes into conducting a single mission long before the first HMMWV rolls out of the FOB. After this thought, I began to wonder if this is why many people don’t give military service a single thought.
Next, I wondered if this same idea is why we have so many guys, or gals, who leave the military honorably after serving in a support role and decide to go out and say that they were Delta Force Seal Special Ranger Snipers or whatever the kids are saying these days. Are all of the recent military movies that glorify only that small percentage to blame for these issues? When we really begin to think about it, if combat arms is such a small population within our military, just how small is the population that works as a member of these special groups? It is tiny.
I do not know what the remedy for this issue is. I do not think that there should be a ban on military movies glorifying heroism and bravery under fire, even if I do find that many of the movies are awful. What is there that can be done though? Is there any way that we can properly educate citizens on what makes up the military? How can we also get it through the minds of our people that get out after serving that there is no need to act like something that you were not?
The military takes all kinds. It is a giant machine that requires numerous moving parts. If one part fails, every cog in the machine grinds to a halt or, at a minimum, does not function nearly as well as it needs to.
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As a former Comm Specialist in the AF I am always happy to let people know that I served in a time and place where I was never shot at. Now, working on a second degree for Education, I'm surprised at how many former military members appreciate that sentiment. When I seperated in 1980 I was always asked what aircraft I flew, and the answer was, A teletype machine. It had always been an eye opener to the civil population that there were jobs that didn't require flying.
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Occasionally a pretty good documentary comes around that can give the novice a somewhat realistic idea of what life in the military is like. In 2008, PBS produced a 10 part series called "Carrier" (featuring the USS Nimitz). What impressed me about it was that they talked to a wide variety of sailors that served on the ship and not just the pilots. They featured everyone from the guy who processes the garbage to the Master Chief, to the ships captain. Being an AF guy, I never served on a carrier, but my brother did, and I also got the opportunity to spend several days on one while it was doing air operations in the Gulf of Mexico. It amazed me that they could land aircraft on such a small piece of real estate. I really gained an appreciation for what the Navy could do, and what it was like to be on a 6 month sea deployment. A lot of moving parts and people on just one ship that is part of an entire carrier battle group. It takes a lot of smart people with a variety of different skill sets to make the whole thing work. Airfield Ops guys, Comm Techs, Radar Techs, Cooks, Supply guys, metal fabricators, Nuclear/Power pro folks, photographers, and of course the Pilots (excude me: "Aviators").
If you have about 10 hours to kill, I recommend watching it.
"Carrier" (PBS)
http://www.pbs.org/weta/carrier/
"Carrier" (YouTube)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p3wTXqZ-mk&list=PLV5B5g4iuHWUF4I8hbwAPAskYn8fx--RU
If you have about 10 hours to kill, I recommend watching it.
"Carrier" (PBS)
http://www.pbs.org/weta/carrier/
"Carrier" (YouTube)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p3wTXqZ-mk&list=PLV5B5g4iuHWUF4I8hbwAPAskYn8fx--RU
CARRIER, a 10-part series filmed aboard the USS Nimitz, is a character-driven, nonfiction drama and once-in-a-lifetime total immersion in the high-stakes world of a nuclear aircraft carrier.
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My mos was 64C (Heavy Wheeled Vehicle Operator). My mission was to transport fuel from the pipe head to the class III facilities to then be distributed to the combat arms units in their areas. Therefore my mission was to ensure that the combat arms units had the fuel and supplies to be able to perform their mission. (1976-1984)
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Many civilians of the current generation never have contact with the Veteran Community, a couple of years ago, I attended a highschool program, and the JROTC students were a bit surprised to learn that I was a retiree of both military and civilian military service. retired as a Civil Affairs Specialist, 38B40, and a Career Civilian Firefighter GS0081. Hollyweird prefers movies with action and drama. Three Kings, presented a very skewed view of those in Civil Affairs. Yes, I spent a great deal of my last deployment outside the wire, by the same token, I was in conference meetings with City Staff, Planers, and Mayors as well as documenting the mundane aspects of maneuver damage to the local infrastructure by NATO and IFOR units. Not really glamorous, but essential for developing a lasting relationship and stabilization program for the Dayton Peace Accords. Not much of which placed me in harms way at the time. My peers in Iraq and Afghanistan, however, had a widely different experience.
Then factor in the programs which never get publicity; US Navy Seabees doing aid and construction projects; Medical Units performing training in the U.S. where some people never see a medical practicioner except in the most dire of circumstances; or CA Units training by working with local communities to support Disaster Planning. There is so much more to the Armed Forces than Door Kickers and Rambo Movies. But it is Popular media which drives the narratives.
Then factor in the programs which never get publicity; US Navy Seabees doing aid and construction projects; Medical Units performing training in the U.S. where some people never see a medical practicioner except in the most dire of circumstances; or CA Units training by working with local communities to support Disaster Planning. There is so much more to the Armed Forces than Door Kickers and Rambo Movies. But it is Popular media which drives the narratives.
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SFC Quinn Chastant
And fun was seeing the S2 take the raw info I would also report just from observations on trips from my operations center to various field sites. Something stands out as odd, such as an armed guard at a cement planr with military vehicles in the back 40, it gets reported. Not sneaking and snooping, by critical to the overall mission.
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I concur with all of you regarding this stigma of the private sector, versus military service member's educational background and the experience levels that we bring to their tables ! I remember when I was assigned to a destroyer tender in San Diego Ca during the 80's. We had teacher's from all levels, come onboard for a visit to get a up close and personal view of what the young men and women of our armed forces are actually doing. With the training we continually improve upon while attached and the technical schooling we provide. They left our ship with a much greater respect for along with a clearer understanding of the young bluejackets experience levels at such a young age groop. They actually praised many of them on their abilities while working alongside some of their shipmates with far more years of experience level. There will unfortunately be that percentage of locals that will always be blinded by their own ignorance, to a veteran's total package. When they get more frustrated with all their current staff not showing up for a day's business, or constant call outs ie;( my wife/husband she/he, or the dog/cat he ,etc (then they may seriously take a step back and look again at that highly educated, highly skilled, exemplary leader, highly organized veteran) with a work ethic that far exceeds many of their entire current staff from the top down to the deck plates !
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Very well put. I've met quite a few people wanting to know how many people did I kill. You try to explain to them that being in the military isn't all about killing. There is so much more to it. The friendships, the trust, the bonds. That what I want to tell people about.
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SPC Wanda Vergara-Yates
Military personnel is about putting the right person at the right place at the right time, and affording him or her the right benefits and recognition when his or her term is complete. Sounds a lot like marketing, logistics, operations and many other job fields in any given industry. But no matter how I tweak my resume, they don't seem to bite. I'm ready to work freelance. I'm tired of chasing down jobs they don't want to give me.
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Maj Robert Thornton
To continue..i didn't grow up around the military but had many friends that served in the armed forces. I also knew that I wanted to at least try military life. Thankfully I tried it and it was a great fit.
When people talk about the military and denigrate the intelligence level, I have to jump in and let them know that the vast majority of folks I knew in the military, enlisted and officer, had quite a bit more education than the average civilian.
When people talk about the military and denigrate the intelligence level, I have to jump in and let them know that the vast majority of folks I knew in the military, enlisted and officer, had quite a bit more education than the average civilian.
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Unfortunately, you can't really educate "civilians", especially college students about the jobs of the military. Unless some of them have had some type of affiliation with the military ie. family, friends. They'll have to sit and listen to what is explained to them about non shooter jobs in the military. I have personally run into civilian students like this many times. They show their lack of knowlege a lot about the military. I explained "calmly" about how the military has doctors, mechanics, engineers, etc., don't fight the battles with guns. Hopefully many will learn the lesson and see the light.
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My father's job was radio repair in Vietnam and my grandfather was a Supply Officer in WW2 so I had an understanding about different jobs in the military prior to enlisting - and the job I held (SIGINT Analyst) kept me in the Nat'l Capitol Region for 10 years after I got out and primarily worked with former military. As a result, I personally haven't spoken to folks that are under the illusion that all roles in the military are combat arms. I'm now married to Active Duty Air Force (I upgraded - I was Army) and scheduled to PCS back to CONUS in a few months where we'll be stationed at another military base. If I end up in conversation with someone that thinks we're all combat arms, I'll likely laugh as I explain that's not how it works.
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