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Posted on Aug 3, 2017
SGT Joseph Gunderson
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Sgt Michael Caldwell
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I laugh at this, this is welcoming New Marines into our small unit in 74..
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CW4 Brian Haas
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When not done overboard, hazing is very valuable. It’s a shame that we have snowflakes that have upended it totally...it bonds people together.
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SSG Motor Transport Operator
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Fucking Outstanding!!!!
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SGT Josh Lee
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Everyone has to say something smart, huh? The type soldiers are like "awww fuck here he goes about to speech us to death". Good read Bro.
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SGT Josh Lee
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Agreed.
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1SG Infantryman
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Hazing in all forms is bad! Should not be done. If you find yourself in a position of gaining personal satisfaction for the demise of another, YOU ARE WRONG. Now what you described as "Hazing" is nothing close to that descriptive. Shitters need to be burned and you probably fell in as low man or close enough to that title to be in the running for shitter NCOIC or private. KP, you eat, you can clean.

Now rites of passage in my mind should be just that; a rite of passage that does not cause substantial harm to one and not done in a drunken state. Properly supervised to ensure that in case of an unforeseen injury occurrence; immediate and proper care can be facilitated. Rite of passage have been known to strengthen unit morale and comradeship within a unit. If it has long traditions and it is something that is required by all, then it should take place. I have been a part of many that I absolutely believe made me and the men I shared the experience with a more cohesive unit. I have seen units that do not participate in a rite of passage event, but uphold the Army values; they too were cohesive units.

Hazing to be a bully/punk is just that. It is the act of cowards using bully tactics that most likely they never were subjected too and has zero tradition to fall back on.

Be, Know, Do in all things and carry the Army values with you in all things and more times than not, you and your unit will be better for it.
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SPC David Harrington
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Smoking young soldiers is not hazing. On the spot corrections are not hazing. Hazing is abuse. A young college student can choose to leave the frat if the hazing gets too bad, but a young soldier signed a contract. That feeling of being trapped in an abusive situation can get people killed. I've seen it happen downrange.
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2LT Cyber Warfare Officer
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Sergeant, I'm going to disagree with you. You say that we should not have put on this uniform if we can't handle hazing - but the fact of the matter is, we probably all can. We survived basic, we survived high school, and personally, I have survived extraneous college fraternity hazing. Maybe your hazing isn't as vicious, dangerous, or stupid as the hazing I had to go through. However, I disagree anyways. Hazing is a disgrace to this uniform. When you put on that uniform, you best put it on with pride and honor. Pride and honor that many have given their lives and underwent absolutely horrific and terrible deaths to build. Yeah, we get it, the military prepares you for a terrible experience, as war preparation should be. But it can be done without hazing. By all means, smoke me for hours. Get up in my face, chew me out. Keep me in the forward leaning rest for two hours. Make me go through extreme confidence courses. But there's one thing that no one can deny. Hazing is a disgrace to this uniform, and those who died wearing it would be rolling over in their graves knowing that it was being defended and accepted in our Army.
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PO3 Mitchell Haynie
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Perhaps this is an issue of semantics, being an "Old Guy" what you describe would have been considered "correction", "coaching", and "training" unit style. With us it began in boot with disciplining our own within the company, such as a "shower party" when someone just "couldn't get right"! I remember things like "Short Tours" and "Marching Parties" as forms of punishment/correction that I am sure would be outside PC today.
As to what we considered "Hazing" which in my mind is like an indoctrination or "ceremony" to be a part of some unique or exclusive crew, event, etc. In my day it was the Shellback or line crossing party which was two fun filled days of misery and and at some points, disgust which was in an unspoken manner, mandatory! I survived it, wouldn't ever want to do it again, it got me a title and a certificate I lost years ago which tells you how much it meant to me!
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