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I can remember reporting to my very first unit like it happened just yesterday. I was a brand new Private First Class and I had just spent the last month back home doing “hometown recruiting.” I drove all morning, just over eight hours, dressed in my Class A uniform. My 1999 Firebird was stuffed full with everything that I owned...which wasn’t a whole lot. I arrived at Fort Hood, Texas a little later in the afternoon than I had wanted, but I wasn’t worried. What I didn’t know then about the Army was that I wasn’t just going to walk up to my unit and that would be it. Nope. Instead, I would spend almost the entire first week attached to the replacement battalion. Meeting my new unit was going to have to wait.
When I finally did arrive at my new unit, it was a much different experience than I thought it would be. I was so used to the hustle and bustle of basic training that when I was actually treated somewhat like a human being, it caught me slightly off-guard. My unit was actually deployed, and had been for some time, when I arrived. We new guys were immediately thrust into more training in order to get us ready to ship out in the very near future. I was excited. Of course it wasn’t without the usual learning curve, but I made it through the classes and exercises well enough. In two or so months’ time, I was deployed to Iraq to link up with what would be my troop. This is where it all began...
I never had a real problem with hazing. It wasn’t a new concept to me, as we had experienced a level of hazing in high school during JROTC activities. Laugh all you like, but the structure and training of JROTC is actually a great representation of the military in a microcosm-like form. I had learned when I was a freshman in high school that hazing was less about being a dick for the sake of being a dick, and more about putting someone through a crucible. It was a way of allowing the newest members of your unit to prove themselves worthy. I was up for the challenge.
Unlike some of my peers, I had a difficult time earning that worth. I wasn’t nearly as physically fit as the rest of the guys and in my MOS, that was a big no-no. In addition, I was very outspoken. In many areas this may have been a plus, but for anyone who knows the military, being an opinionated and outspoken private is possibly one of the worst things that you could be. I was put on detail after detail; KP for days on end, burning shit both morning and night, and let’s not forget the twelve hour shifts in the TOC. I was kept as an outsider for quite some time. I was also “smoked” my fair share due to my uncontrollable habit to open my big mouth. Even through all of this though, I tried my best to keep my chin up and get through it. This was the military after all and what was I to expect? We were quite literally tasked with keeping one another alive and to shoot the bad guys in the face! That’s a big deal, especially for a little 18 year old kid. Then, after months and months of blood, sweat, and tears, it all changed.
I no longer was the butt of the jokes, the victim of details, or smoked for no apparent reason. We were back in garrison and, although I cannot pin down the exact moment that it ended, I can remember the phase where it all seemed to go away. I wasn’t an outsider any longer! I was still a young PFC, but in between details, classes, etc., I could be found in the smoking area with peers and seniors alike, hanging out and joking, just another member of the group. The amount of pride that I felt to finally be included in this club was of so much that I still can’t even begin to explain. Yes, I was proud when I had graduated high school. Of course, I was ecstatic when I donned my beret at OSUT graduation. Putting on my combat patch for the first time gave me one of the biggest smiles that I have probably ever worn. But to not just be a soldier, but to be accepted by my peers in my chosen profession - the feeling was absolutely indescribable.
Soon, we began to get new guys into the unit. Fresh FNGs (Fucking New Guys) trickled and flowed into our ranks and I watched as they were hazed. They were put through the same crap that, just a little while ago, I had gotten through and I understood. I will not lie, I joined in on it. So did all of the other guys that I had come to the unit with. It wasn’t about just being a prick to some unsuspecting teenager (because not all of them were teenagers). It was a test. The Army has their test to see if you can do the job; that is was basic training and AIT are for (or OSUT for my Combat Arms brethren). But the world has its own test to ensure that I know I can trust you to do what you were trained. So I know that I don’t have to worry about you cracking under the pressure. Because if you are unable to handle a few push-ups, or a few punches to the chest when you get a promotion, or a practical joke here and there - if you are unable to handle these things, what makes me think you can handle the real rigors of this job when it really matters?
I have heard a lot of people defend the idea that hazing is horrible, that it is a crime and people that conduct this fowl activity should be punished. I have only this to say to those people: The military does not care about your feelings. The military is in the business of killing people. If you cannot handle a little hazing, you shouldn’t have put on a uniform in the first place. Go back to your safe space and let the real men and women do real work.
When I finally did arrive at my new unit, it was a much different experience than I thought it would be. I was so used to the hustle and bustle of basic training that when I was actually treated somewhat like a human being, it caught me slightly off-guard. My unit was actually deployed, and had been for some time, when I arrived. We new guys were immediately thrust into more training in order to get us ready to ship out in the very near future. I was excited. Of course it wasn’t without the usual learning curve, but I made it through the classes and exercises well enough. In two or so months’ time, I was deployed to Iraq to link up with what would be my troop. This is where it all began...
I never had a real problem with hazing. It wasn’t a new concept to me, as we had experienced a level of hazing in high school during JROTC activities. Laugh all you like, but the structure and training of JROTC is actually a great representation of the military in a microcosm-like form. I had learned when I was a freshman in high school that hazing was less about being a dick for the sake of being a dick, and more about putting someone through a crucible. It was a way of allowing the newest members of your unit to prove themselves worthy. I was up for the challenge.
Unlike some of my peers, I had a difficult time earning that worth. I wasn’t nearly as physically fit as the rest of the guys and in my MOS, that was a big no-no. In addition, I was very outspoken. In many areas this may have been a plus, but for anyone who knows the military, being an opinionated and outspoken private is possibly one of the worst things that you could be. I was put on detail after detail; KP for days on end, burning shit both morning and night, and let’s not forget the twelve hour shifts in the TOC. I was kept as an outsider for quite some time. I was also “smoked” my fair share due to my uncontrollable habit to open my big mouth. Even through all of this though, I tried my best to keep my chin up and get through it. This was the military after all and what was I to expect? We were quite literally tasked with keeping one another alive and to shoot the bad guys in the face! That’s a big deal, especially for a little 18 year old kid. Then, after months and months of blood, sweat, and tears, it all changed.
I no longer was the butt of the jokes, the victim of details, or smoked for no apparent reason. We were back in garrison and, although I cannot pin down the exact moment that it ended, I can remember the phase where it all seemed to go away. I wasn’t an outsider any longer! I was still a young PFC, but in between details, classes, etc., I could be found in the smoking area with peers and seniors alike, hanging out and joking, just another member of the group. The amount of pride that I felt to finally be included in this club was of so much that I still can’t even begin to explain. Yes, I was proud when I had graduated high school. Of course, I was ecstatic when I donned my beret at OSUT graduation. Putting on my combat patch for the first time gave me one of the biggest smiles that I have probably ever worn. But to not just be a soldier, but to be accepted by my peers in my chosen profession - the feeling was absolutely indescribable.
Soon, we began to get new guys into the unit. Fresh FNGs (Fucking New Guys) trickled and flowed into our ranks and I watched as they were hazed. They were put through the same crap that, just a little while ago, I had gotten through and I understood. I will not lie, I joined in on it. So did all of the other guys that I had come to the unit with. It wasn’t about just being a prick to some unsuspecting teenager (because not all of them were teenagers). It was a test. The Army has their test to see if you can do the job; that is was basic training and AIT are for (or OSUT for my Combat Arms brethren). But the world has its own test to ensure that I know I can trust you to do what you were trained. So I know that I don’t have to worry about you cracking under the pressure. Because if you are unable to handle a few push-ups, or a few punches to the chest when you get a promotion, or a practical joke here and there - if you are unable to handle these things, what makes me think you can handle the real rigors of this job when it really matters?
I have heard a lot of people defend the idea that hazing is horrible, that it is a crime and people that conduct this fowl activity should be punished. I have only this to say to those people: The military does not care about your feelings. The military is in the business of killing people. If you cannot handle a little hazing, you shouldn’t have put on a uniform in the first place. Go back to your safe space and let the real men and women do real work.
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When not done overboard, hazing is very valuable. It’s a shame that we have snowflakes that have upended it totally...it bonds people together.
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Hazing in all forms is bad! Should not be done. If you find yourself in a position of gaining personal satisfaction for the demise of another, YOU ARE WRONG. Now what you described as "Hazing" is nothing close to that descriptive. Shitters need to be burned and you probably fell in as low man or close enough to that title to be in the running for shitter NCOIC or private. KP, you eat, you can clean.
Now rites of passage in my mind should be just that; a rite of passage that does not cause substantial harm to one and not done in a drunken state. Properly supervised to ensure that in case of an unforeseen injury occurrence; immediate and proper care can be facilitated. Rite of passage have been known to strengthen unit morale and comradeship within a unit. If it has long traditions and it is something that is required by all, then it should take place. I have been a part of many that I absolutely believe made me and the men I shared the experience with a more cohesive unit. I have seen units that do not participate in a rite of passage event, but uphold the Army values; they too were cohesive units.
Hazing to be a bully/punk is just that. It is the act of cowards using bully tactics that most likely they never were subjected too and has zero tradition to fall back on.
Be, Know, Do in all things and carry the Army values with you in all things and more times than not, you and your unit will be better for it.
Now rites of passage in my mind should be just that; a rite of passage that does not cause substantial harm to one and not done in a drunken state. Properly supervised to ensure that in case of an unforeseen injury occurrence; immediate and proper care can be facilitated. Rite of passage have been known to strengthen unit morale and comradeship within a unit. If it has long traditions and it is something that is required by all, then it should take place. I have been a part of many that I absolutely believe made me and the men I shared the experience with a more cohesive unit. I have seen units that do not participate in a rite of passage event, but uphold the Army values; they too were cohesive units.
Hazing to be a bully/punk is just that. It is the act of cowards using bully tactics that most likely they never were subjected too and has zero tradition to fall back on.
Be, Know, Do in all things and carry the Army values with you in all things and more times than not, you and your unit will be better for it.
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Smoking young soldiers is not hazing. On the spot corrections are not hazing. Hazing is abuse. A young college student can choose to leave the frat if the hazing gets too bad, but a young soldier signed a contract. That feeling of being trapped in an abusive situation can get people killed. I've seen it happen downrange.
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Sergeant, I'm going to disagree with you. You say that we should not have put on this uniform if we can't handle hazing - but the fact of the matter is, we probably all can. We survived basic, we survived high school, and personally, I have survived extraneous college fraternity hazing. Maybe your hazing isn't as vicious, dangerous, or stupid as the hazing I had to go through. However, I disagree anyways. Hazing is a disgrace to this uniform. When you put on that uniform, you best put it on with pride and honor. Pride and honor that many have given their lives and underwent absolutely horrific and terrible deaths to build. Yeah, we get it, the military prepares you for a terrible experience, as war preparation should be. But it can be done without hazing. By all means, smoke me for hours. Get up in my face, chew me out. Keep me in the forward leaning rest for two hours. Make me go through extreme confidence courses. But there's one thing that no one can deny. Hazing is a disgrace to this uniform, and those who died wearing it would be rolling over in their graves knowing that it was being defended and accepted in our Army.
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Perhaps this is an issue of semantics, being an "Old Guy" what you describe would have been considered "correction", "coaching", and "training" unit style. With us it began in boot with disciplining our own within the company, such as a "shower party" when someone just "couldn't get right"! I remember things like "Short Tours" and "Marching Parties" as forms of punishment/correction that I am sure would be outside PC today.
As to what we considered "Hazing" which in my mind is like an indoctrination or "ceremony" to be a part of some unique or exclusive crew, event, etc. In my day it was the Shellback or line crossing party which was two fun filled days of misery and and at some points, disgust which was in an unspoken manner, mandatory! I survived it, wouldn't ever want to do it again, it got me a title and a certificate I lost years ago which tells you how much it meant to me!
As to what we considered "Hazing" which in my mind is like an indoctrination or "ceremony" to be a part of some unique or exclusive crew, event, etc. In my day it was the Shellback or line crossing party which was two fun filled days of misery and and at some points, disgust which was in an unspoken manner, mandatory! I survived it, wouldn't ever want to do it again, it got me a title and a certificate I lost years ago which tells you how much it meant to me!
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