Posted on Jul 19, 2018
Should We Be Upset At Those Who “Dodged The Draft”?
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I’ve seen a number of posts elsewhere provocatively calling President Trump a “draft dodger” for utilizing three educational deferments and one medical exclusion during Vietnam. I know this can be a sensitive issue for many of us who have served. Many of my military friends seem to want to pile on, and comment with disdain over his actions, and this issue. Some of this is just politics, for others it’s more personal.
I’d like to present a position here that may be unpopular with some. As a freedom loving American who voluntarily served in the US Army and Michigan National Guard for 22 years, including a tour in Iraq (2004-2005), I am thankful that I’ve never had to contend with an active draft. Most of us here have served in the military. Most of us served voluntarily; some were forced to “serve”. I’ve heard some who were conscripted say they are thankful they ended up in the military, or that they were thinking about volunteering anyway. I’ve also heard some say it was the worst thing that’s ever happened to them. There are still others who can’t comment because they didn’t make it back alive.
Most of us who joined the military will tell you they served to protect the freedom that is America, and we DO enjoy a great many freedoms that people in other countries do not. Now for the controversy. Can we include a draft as one of those freedoms? I contend we cannot. I’ve heard arguments for the utility, and necessity of a draft to fight our wars. But what is a draft when we REALLY take time to consider its nature. I’d like to place two definitions below to set the premise that guides my thinking on this issue. (I always use Merriam Webster for consistency’s sake.)
Servitude: “a condition in which one lacks liberty especially to determine one's course of action or way of life.”
Slavery: “a person held in servitude as the chattel of another
: one that is completely subservient to a dominating influence“
Given these two definitions, it’s hard to argue that a draft doesn’t, at best fit the first definition, and at worst the second. When confronted with being drafted, we are given a “choice” either go to war, put your life in danger and do what you’re told, or go to jail. It’s a false choice, because either way you lose the choice to determine your life’s course of action, or you become a slave to the prison system. When I’ve made this argument, the replies, and questions seem to indicate that it’s ok to draft people for a host of reasons, and I have a host of reasons in disagreement.
“It’s a price we have to pay to live in a free country.”
Are we really free if our government can place us into servitude, or slavery without due process?
“Other countries do it.”
We’re not other countries. We’re America, and we abolished servitude, and slavery over 150 years ago. Why would we want to resurrect slavery to fight wars?
“How can we count on volunteers to enlist in great enough numbers to fight our wars?”
How about we offer commensurate pay and benefits that will draw enough citizens to volunteer? If that doesn’t work, perhaps our government should re-think the necessity of that particular engagement.
“What if we’re invaded or we’re needed to fight a great injustice somewhere else?”
If we’re invaded, one suspects there’ll be no shortage of volunteers, civilian, or military. If the cause is just, and the danger real, America has never had a shortage of volunteers.
“Don’t you find it dishonest to use deferrals, or medical exemptions to avoid the draft when others didn’t do so?”
Those deferrals, and exemptions were legal, weren’t they? Would you call taking your mortgage interest deduction, or other legal deductions to lower your tax liability as dishonest?
All of these questions, and answers, are ancillary though, because these questions ALL avoid, bypass, or totally ignore the basic premise that a draft is based upon involuntary servitude at best, and slavery at worst. So, when someone gets all up in arms about President Trump, or anybody else “dodging the draft” by taking legal deferrals, I say, “I don’t blame them”. I tell them I didn’t blame President Clinton for avoiding the draft, and I don’t blame President Trump either. My support of President Clinton in this regard back in the 1990’s certainly caused some consternation among my Republican friends. It’s the price one pays for being philosophically honest, and consistent. Some have asked, about those who fled the country to Canada to avoid the draft, while others went along with it and were deployed to Vietnam. My answer is that I didn’t blame black slaves from fleeing slavery to Canada in the 19th century nor do I blame anybody else for fleeing to Canada to escape our slavery of the Vietnam era.
I understand that the military isn’t for everybody, and we don’t want just anybody fighting next to us. I want people fighting next to me who volunteered. Someone who has that special love of country, of service, and of unit that promotes an effective force.
In summary, I start from the basic premise that a draft is involuntary servitude/slavery, and therefore I can’t blame anybody for avoiding such bonds, either within the system of deferments, and exemptions, or outside the system by fleeing the country. America is a great country because we did away with things like slavery and spearheaded the concept of economic and individual liberty. These concepts led to the greatest worldwide advancements of production, technology and efficiency ever known previous to the founding of our great nation.
I’m sincerely interested in your thoughts, comments, or questions on this issue.
I’d like to present a position here that may be unpopular with some. As a freedom loving American who voluntarily served in the US Army and Michigan National Guard for 22 years, including a tour in Iraq (2004-2005), I am thankful that I’ve never had to contend with an active draft. Most of us here have served in the military. Most of us served voluntarily; some were forced to “serve”. I’ve heard some who were conscripted say they are thankful they ended up in the military, or that they were thinking about volunteering anyway. I’ve also heard some say it was the worst thing that’s ever happened to them. There are still others who can’t comment because they didn’t make it back alive.
Most of us who joined the military will tell you they served to protect the freedom that is America, and we DO enjoy a great many freedoms that people in other countries do not. Now for the controversy. Can we include a draft as one of those freedoms? I contend we cannot. I’ve heard arguments for the utility, and necessity of a draft to fight our wars. But what is a draft when we REALLY take time to consider its nature. I’d like to place two definitions below to set the premise that guides my thinking on this issue. (I always use Merriam Webster for consistency’s sake.)
Servitude: “a condition in which one lacks liberty especially to determine one's course of action or way of life.”
Slavery: “a person held in servitude as the chattel of another
: one that is completely subservient to a dominating influence“
Given these two definitions, it’s hard to argue that a draft doesn’t, at best fit the first definition, and at worst the second. When confronted with being drafted, we are given a “choice” either go to war, put your life in danger and do what you’re told, or go to jail. It’s a false choice, because either way you lose the choice to determine your life’s course of action, or you become a slave to the prison system. When I’ve made this argument, the replies, and questions seem to indicate that it’s ok to draft people for a host of reasons, and I have a host of reasons in disagreement.
“It’s a price we have to pay to live in a free country.”
Are we really free if our government can place us into servitude, or slavery without due process?
“Other countries do it.”
We’re not other countries. We’re America, and we abolished servitude, and slavery over 150 years ago. Why would we want to resurrect slavery to fight wars?
“How can we count on volunteers to enlist in great enough numbers to fight our wars?”
How about we offer commensurate pay and benefits that will draw enough citizens to volunteer? If that doesn’t work, perhaps our government should re-think the necessity of that particular engagement.
“What if we’re invaded or we’re needed to fight a great injustice somewhere else?”
If we’re invaded, one suspects there’ll be no shortage of volunteers, civilian, or military. If the cause is just, and the danger real, America has never had a shortage of volunteers.
“Don’t you find it dishonest to use deferrals, or medical exemptions to avoid the draft when others didn’t do so?”
Those deferrals, and exemptions were legal, weren’t they? Would you call taking your mortgage interest deduction, or other legal deductions to lower your tax liability as dishonest?
All of these questions, and answers, are ancillary though, because these questions ALL avoid, bypass, or totally ignore the basic premise that a draft is based upon involuntary servitude at best, and slavery at worst. So, when someone gets all up in arms about President Trump, or anybody else “dodging the draft” by taking legal deferrals, I say, “I don’t blame them”. I tell them I didn’t blame President Clinton for avoiding the draft, and I don’t blame President Trump either. My support of President Clinton in this regard back in the 1990’s certainly caused some consternation among my Republican friends. It’s the price one pays for being philosophically honest, and consistent. Some have asked, about those who fled the country to Canada to avoid the draft, while others went along with it and were deployed to Vietnam. My answer is that I didn’t blame black slaves from fleeing slavery to Canada in the 19th century nor do I blame anybody else for fleeing to Canada to escape our slavery of the Vietnam era.
I understand that the military isn’t for everybody, and we don’t want just anybody fighting next to us. I want people fighting next to me who volunteered. Someone who has that special love of country, of service, and of unit that promotes an effective force.
In summary, I start from the basic premise that a draft is involuntary servitude/slavery, and therefore I can’t blame anybody for avoiding such bonds, either within the system of deferments, and exemptions, or outside the system by fleeing the country. America is a great country because we did away with things like slavery and spearheaded the concept of economic and individual liberty. These concepts led to the greatest worldwide advancements of production, technology and efficiency ever known previous to the founding of our great nation.
I’m sincerely interested in your thoughts, comments, or questions on this issue.
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The deferments were legal and yes were abused but they have always been around. Joseph Kennedy Sr tried to get deferments for his boys (Joseph Jr and JFK) and after they defied him and joined the Navy he tried to get them assigned to safe stateside duties They both defied him again and volunteered for more dangerous assignments Joe Jr became a pilot and later died when his plane exploded and JFK volunteered for PT Boats and almost became a POW when his boats was sunk on a combat mission. Many who qualified for deferments didn’t take them while many of less character milked deferments. I don’t agree with the characterization of the draft is slavery but it is involuntary. On a side note I have a theory that probably can not be proved that the draft contributed indirectly to the Civil Rights legislation of the 50’s and 60’s I think those members of Congress that were drafted in the 50’s and served with blacks Hispanics Asians as young men remembered that when the Civil Rights Bills came before them and the experiences they had serving with these minorities, who they never would have met without the draft, made them want to make things fair and that is partly why those bills passed
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Very well written article. I seem like 1st grader trying even post against your well rounded thought out points. For a little about my self and my family, my Great Great Uncle was USS Grant, I have a strong military history in my family, my real dad fought in WW2 and my step dad in Korea, and Vietnam as well as two of my brothers ( drafted ). I myself volunteered even though the draft was winding down.
I have no problem with someone used the system to avoid the military, where I have problem is when those same people try to become a Veterans friend or say they support veterans. I was not going to vote for Trump, not because of the him not serving, it was more of persona. I couldn't vote for Hillary as here was a person who said she was for the military and Veterans and if any Veteran who came in contact with her or her family, or knew some one who did, knew that Hillary had nothing but disdain for women and men in Uniform. So I voted for Trump, yea cringe at some of his tweets, and speeches not polished, how ever he has turned out to be a man of his word, a true supporter of the veterans and the military.
Now with all the above said I do not feel that some one who dodge the draft legally was wrong, I might question their valor, or their moral standing when things get go south. Also Vietnam was different war all together. My dad who fought there , was a hero in my books and came back to an ungrateful nation, he retired from the Military with honors, but died struggling day to day do to what he faced in the war, our country found every way to cut benefits in other words they abandon him. Even to day with all this talk about support veterans, it a slight of hand trick, support a new effort saying they are helping veterans yet don't acknowledge that what is paying for the new program or raise, is by taking another program away, or charging for services that were free or more fees that were small. Case in point. Retired military got a pay raise, however that was eaten up and more by the new co- pay for medicine that is received by mail from Express scripts. My medicine now cost some 27 dollars a month where it was once free if I ordered it through the mail. This is just one item and small one at that.
Now to getting down to serving in a conflict. When does it become un-American to fight in war in another county for people who don't want us there or has an effect on this country. The US military has for decades been the world police force. I have some one who wont fight for the freedom and liberties of this country, but I stand conflicted when it comes to fighting a conflict that is not ours, especially when this country has had a history way back after the civil war of not supporting it's Veterans. Every veteran should be supported by it's country. Especially war Veterans and Retired Veterans.
I have no problem with someone used the system to avoid the military, where I have problem is when those same people try to become a Veterans friend or say they support veterans. I was not going to vote for Trump, not because of the him not serving, it was more of persona. I couldn't vote for Hillary as here was a person who said she was for the military and Veterans and if any Veteran who came in contact with her or her family, or knew some one who did, knew that Hillary had nothing but disdain for women and men in Uniform. So I voted for Trump, yea cringe at some of his tweets, and speeches not polished, how ever he has turned out to be a man of his word, a true supporter of the veterans and the military.
Now with all the above said I do not feel that some one who dodge the draft legally was wrong, I might question their valor, or their moral standing when things get go south. Also Vietnam was different war all together. My dad who fought there , was a hero in my books and came back to an ungrateful nation, he retired from the Military with honors, but died struggling day to day do to what he faced in the war, our country found every way to cut benefits in other words they abandon him. Even to day with all this talk about support veterans, it a slight of hand trick, support a new effort saying they are helping veterans yet don't acknowledge that what is paying for the new program or raise, is by taking another program away, or charging for services that were free or more fees that were small. Case in point. Retired military got a pay raise, however that was eaten up and more by the new co- pay for medicine that is received by mail from Express scripts. My medicine now cost some 27 dollars a month where it was once free if I ordered it through the mail. This is just one item and small one at that.
Now to getting down to serving in a conflict. When does it become un-American to fight in war in another county for people who don't want us there or has an effect on this country. The US military has for decades been the world police force. I have some one who wont fight for the freedom and liberties of this country, but I stand conflicted when it comes to fighting a conflict that is not ours, especially when this country has had a history way back after the civil war of not supporting it's Veterans. Every veteran should be supported by it's country. Especially war Veterans and Retired Veterans.
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I believe mandatory conscription from 16-20 by every able-bodied male is the way forward. If for nothing else than to make a man out of a boy.⚔️✝️
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I was young during Vietnam and I remember the band wagon that most college students was jumping onto along with the protestors, but now during the 2000's I have yet to meet one that brags about being a protestor or draft dodger, except for Hillary and Bill Clinton. I do hear alot of Vietnam Vets that are proud of their duty and that they served and for those that never served I have heard regrets so I don't judge people they judge themselves, but always thank a Vet regardless of when he served.
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I've been on both sides of the draft. I was drafted into the Army in 1966. Thought I had a four year student deferment but only had a two year deferment. Had to drop out of school with less that ten day left in the quarter. Lost the money I paid that quarter. Entered the Army and the only school I was offered was Infantry Officer Candidate School. Got my commission and got assigned back to Fort McClellan where I had taken Infantry AIT. One cycle we got a complete Detroit street gang which had sent to the Army by a judge. The only person who could control them was my Senior Drill Sergeant. The night before graduation, they robbed the dry cleaner and we didn't find out until they graduated. In today's society the judges would probably send all sorts of people to the Army to be "straighten out". There would be too much stress on the Drill Sergeants trying to straighten the momma's boys out.
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I don't care at all for those that flee or turn their backs on those that stand and fight. Should they be allowed to live in a country they refuse to defend? The rational thinking man would tell you it depends on the circumstances of which they were in. I can be very rational and sometimes I can't be. Should everyone serve in the military for a certain amount of time after school, I would like to think yes, but again if they did, they would not have a "SAFE" room to go to when the world was just too harsh! I still laugh over that one. Personally I did not want them in my military as they would just come in and politically correct everything, every facet, every rule, oh wait some of that is going on now. I stand corrected. It comes down to this, I can't choose who gets to stay here or who goes, but I am glad and honored I got to serve along side so many men and women in my 32 years and I would never give up a moment of any of it. As I said in the beginning of this I do not care for those who flee or turn their backs on us, but I would then and still today give my all for those that do!
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Most of the men who served in Vietnam were volunteers. In WW2 the majority of the men who served were draftees. I enlisted to go to Vietnam. I experienced some combat as a SEAL. That being said, I was upset at the “draft dodgers” at the time. My attitude has changed. It was a long time ago and it is time to let it go.
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PO2 Mike Keyes
I used to be upset with them also. I suppose I've mellowed and, hopefully, grown wiser, with age.
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Well, Edsel Ford (according to a mini-series legend) wanted to become an officer during WW I and Old Henry put the kibosh on it. Later Henry II was pulled out of WW II, to run Ford Motor Company...I would say, a win-win situation; he could do more to win the war head of Ford Motor Company, than being a (probable) Gunnery Officer in The U.S. Navy. Perhaps, Fredrick Trump, may have been thought along the same lines as Old Henry Ford. Who knows, maybe John Wayne, did more for morale, being a movie star, during The War, than actually serving?
During The Vietnam Era, I was slightly acquainted with a hand full of people who did JrROTC...basically those JrROTC Academies where night mares and it induced more people (back in those days) to stay away from the military. Getting a little taste of what you where getting in to, may have scared the bejesus out of many. I know one thing, yours truly, would not have made it through 5 years of New York Military Academy. I'm not putting it down NYMA, I wanted to apply for a job there once and I think JrROTC is a good idea to have at local high schools. I feel very trusting of my President, to have that experience; not like one character who sat in The White House, who was legally a Deserter and hanging around Moscow, while I was sitting on a watch tower in West Germany.
During The Vietnam Era, I was slightly acquainted with a hand full of people who did JrROTC...basically those JrROTC Academies where night mares and it induced more people (back in those days) to stay away from the military. Getting a little taste of what you where getting in to, may have scared the bejesus out of many. I know one thing, yours truly, would not have made it through 5 years of New York Military Academy. I'm not putting it down NYMA, I wanted to apply for a job there once and I think JrROTC is a good idea to have at local high schools. I feel very trusting of my President, to have that experience; not like one character who sat in The White House, who was legally a Deserter and hanging around Moscow, while I was sitting on a watch tower in West Germany.
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I can't say I have any respect for or use for someone that when to Canada or England( like Slick Wilie did) instead of serving. From the French & Indian War to OIF, someone in my family has served Not all of them in combat but they did serve. Now personally I think the draft should be re-instated-male and female with not getting out of it if you're in school with part of their duty overseas. Then maybe this cry-baby generation would understand how lucky they are
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