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Posted on Jul 19, 2018
SSG Gerhard S.
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CPT Brad Wilson
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The deferments were legal and yes were abused but they have always been around. Joseph Kennedy Sr tried to get deferments for his boys (Joseph Jr and JFK) and after they defied him and joined the Navy he tried to get them assigned to safe stateside duties They both defied him again and volunteered for more dangerous assignments Joe Jr became a pilot and later died when his plane exploded and JFK volunteered for PT Boats and almost became a POW when his boats was sunk on a combat mission. Many who qualified for deferments didn’t take them while many of less character milked deferments. I don’t agree with the characterization of the draft is slavery but it is involuntary. On a side note I have a theory that probably can not be proved that the draft contributed indirectly to the Civil Rights legislation of the 50’s and 60’s I think those members of Congress that were drafted in the 50’s and served with blacks Hispanics Asians as young men remembered that when the Civil Rights Bills came before them and the experiences they had serving with these minorities, who they never would have met without the draft, made them want to make things fair and that is partly why those bills passed
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TSgt James Warfield
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Very well written article. I seem like 1st grader trying even post against your well rounded thought out points. For a little about my self and my family, my Great Great Uncle was USS Grant, I have a strong military history in my family, my real dad fought in WW2 and my step dad in Korea, and Vietnam as well as two of my brothers ( drafted ). I myself volunteered even though the draft was winding down.

I have no problem with someone used the system to avoid the military, where I have problem is when those same people try to become a Veterans friend or say they support veterans. I was not going to vote for Trump, not because of the him not serving, it was more of persona. I couldn't vote for Hillary as here was a person who said she was for the military and Veterans and if any Veteran who came in contact with her or her family, or knew some one who did, knew that Hillary had nothing but disdain for women and men in Uniform. So I voted for Trump, yea cringe at some of his tweets, and speeches not polished, how ever he has turned out to be a man of his word, a true supporter of the veterans and the military.

Now with all the above said I do not feel that some one who dodge the draft legally was wrong, I might question their valor, or their moral standing when things get go south. Also Vietnam was different war all together. My dad who fought there , was a hero in my books and came back to an ungrateful nation, he retired from the Military with honors, but died struggling day to day do to what he faced in the war, our country found every way to cut benefits in other words they abandon him. Even to day with all this talk about support veterans, it a slight of hand trick, support a new effort saying they are helping veterans yet don't acknowledge that what is paying for the new program or raise, is by taking another program away, or charging for services that were free or more fees that were small. Case in point. Retired military got a pay raise, however that was eaten up and more by the new co- pay for medicine that is received by mail from Express scripts. My medicine now cost some 27 dollars a month where it was once free if I ordered it through the mail. This is just one item and small one at that.

Now to getting down to serving in a conflict. When does it become un-American to fight in war in another county for people who don't want us there or has an effect on this country. The US military has for decades been the world police force. I have some one who wont fight for the freedom and liberties of this country, but I stand conflicted when it comes to fighting a conflict that is not ours, especially when this country has had a history way back after the civil war of not supporting it's Veterans. Every veteran should be supported by it's country. Especially war Veterans and Retired Veterans.
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SrA Stephen Beasley
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I believe mandatory conscription from 16-20 by every able-bodied male is the way forward. If for nothing else than to make a man out of a boy.⚔️✝️
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SGT Frank Pritchett
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I was young during Vietnam and I remember the band wagon that most college students was jumping onto along with the protestors, but now during the 2000's I have yet to meet one that brags about being a protestor or draft dodger, except for Hillary and Bill Clinton. I do hear alot of Vietnam Vets that are proud of their duty and that they served and for those that never served I have heard regrets so I don't judge people they judge themselves, but always thank a Vet regardless of when he served.
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CW2 Larry Fisher
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It's not that I could and you couldn't, it's that I did and you didn't.
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LTC Gary Earls
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I've been on both sides of the draft. I was drafted into the Army in 1966. Thought I had a four year student deferment but only had a two year deferment. Had to drop out of school with less that ten day left in the quarter. Lost the money I paid that quarter. Entered the Army and the only school I was offered was Infantry Officer Candidate School. Got my commission and got assigned back to Fort McClellan where I had taken Infantry AIT. One cycle we got a complete Detroit street gang which had sent to the Army by a judge. The only person who could control them was my Senior Drill Sergeant. The night before graduation, they robbed the dry cleaner and we didn't find out until they graduated. In today's society the judges would probably send all sorts of people to the Army to be "straighten out". There would be too much stress on the Drill Sergeants trying to straighten the momma's boys out.
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CMSgt Peter McDermott
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I don't care at all for those that flee or turn their backs on those that stand and fight. Should they be allowed to live in a country they refuse to defend? The rational thinking man would tell you it depends on the circumstances of which they were in. I can be very rational and sometimes I can't be. Should everyone serve in the military for a certain amount of time after school, I would like to think yes, but again if they did, they would not have a "SAFE" room to go to when the world was just too harsh! I still laugh over that one. Personally I did not want them in my military as they would just come in and politically correct everything, every facet, every rule, oh wait some of that is going on now. I stand corrected. It comes down to this, I can't choose who gets to stay here or who goes, but I am glad and honored I got to serve along side so many men and women in my 32 years and I would never give up a moment of any of it. As I said in the beginning of this I do not care for those who flee or turn their backs on us, but I would then and still today give my all for those that do!
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SSG Gerhard S.
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Well stated!
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PO2 John Chalus
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Most of the men who served in Vietnam were volunteers. In WW2 the majority of the men who served were draftees. I enlisted to go to Vietnam. I experienced some combat as a SEAL. That being said, I was upset at the “draft dodgers” at the time. My attitude has changed. It was a long time ago and it is time to let it go.
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PO2 Mike Keyes
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I used to be upset with them also. I suppose I've mellowed and, hopefully, grown wiser, with age.
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SGT Fredrick Ramm
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Well, Edsel Ford (according to a mini-series legend) wanted to become an officer during WW I and Old Henry put the kibosh on it. Later Henry II was pulled out of WW II, to run Ford Motor Company...I would say, a win-win situation; he could do more to win the war head of Ford Motor Company, than being a (probable) Gunnery Officer in The U.S. Navy. Perhaps, Fredrick Trump, may have been thought along the same lines as Old Henry Ford. Who knows, maybe John Wayne, did more for morale, being a movie star, during The War, than actually serving?
During The Vietnam Era, I was slightly acquainted with a hand full of people who did JrROTC...basically those JrROTC Academies where night mares and it induced more people (back in those days) to stay away from the military. Getting a little taste of what you where getting in to, may have scared the bejesus out of many. I know one thing, yours truly, would not have made it through 5 years of New York Military Academy. I'm not putting it down NYMA, I wanted to apply for a job there once and I think JrROTC is a good idea to have at local high schools. I feel very trusting of my President, to have that experience; not like one character who sat in The White House, who was legally a Deserter and hanging around Moscow, while I was sitting on a watch tower in West Germany.
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CPL Brian Clouser
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I can't say I have any respect for or use for someone that when to Canada or England( like Slick Wilie did) instead of serving. From the French & Indian War to OIF, someone in my family has served Not all of them in combat but they did serve. Now personally I think the draft should be re-instated-male and female with not getting out of it if you're in school with part of their duty overseas. Then maybe this cry-baby generation would understand how lucky they are
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