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Posted on Jul 19, 2018
SSG Gerhard S.
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SPC Robert Dott
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I agree with the guy who wrote this article. You either went to war or went to jail. Was it honorable to be thinking we were defending our constitution? Yes! in reality we were slaughtering people who were centuries behind us in technology, food, natural resources,Etc etc. No I hold no animosity towards draft dodgers." I came home alive and acting like a freakin asshole for the first 15 years post military. I didn't show the respect for the men and women who died thousands of miles a way in a country that was something like 15th century serfdom europe.
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Thank you for your service, and for sharing your perspective.
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SMSgt Bob W.
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Nay!! They were, in some cases, doing what they believed was right at the time. Some were "misguided youth", others "chicken", and still others had "money". That was fifty years ago; so let us get on with our lives and forget about what happen in our youth.
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I don't consider college deferments as avoiding the draft. I don't consider utilizing tax breaks as avoiding taxes. I don't consider joining the Guard or Reserve as avoiding the draft. All were legal. But for those who ran away I have complete disdain.
Showing all the wisdom of an 18 year old in 1966, I enlisted in the Marine Corps. Duh!!
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Thank you for your comment, as well as your service
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That’s all fine and dandy with no moral equivocation about somebody going in your place? My draft board was the infamous Catonsville, MD #33 , where the Berrigan brothers broke in and poured blood on the draft records. Unfortunately, they were 6 months too late for me. Am I the only one that finds it ironic that Bush II used the Air National Guard as a legal way to avoid the Nam and then 30+ years later sends Guardsmen and Reservists on multiple deployments in Iraq? Not what they had in mind, I’m sure. My artillery sergeant (golf Buddy) had an excellent idea. No issue going to Canada, but they cannot obtain civilian employment with the federal government upon return. Lastly, my estimate is that 95+% of elected politicians and 99% of pro athletes have not served in the past 50 years. We all have to live with ourselves after the fact, so to each their own. 1% serve today. The new normal.
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SSG Gerhard S.
SSG Gerhard S.
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Thank you for your thoughts, and comments, and for your service.
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SPC Robert Dott
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Lt. Gulley: you hit the nail on the head with your statement in reference to politicians and pro athletes not serving in our military (of course many did and gave their lives). I'm referring now to post Vietnam. Now we honor those who turn their back on our flag (and an American Corporation) pays them handsomely. Further more at this very moment Washington political hacks are able to use our military to surround our Capital building. Just what branch did Pelosi and Schumer serve in?
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LtCol Dennis Ivan
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Depends on the war. Vietnam wasnt a war for national survival like WW2 or the Civil War.

Conscription should only be used in such large wars.
I couldnt care less if someone got a deferment.
I do despise those whose political goals change their opinion of it.
Those same people talking about Trump now would have been all about how evil Vietnam was and right Clinton was to do the same thing. And those defending it for Trump would have criticized Clinton.

The fact is a small fraction of people ever see a shot fired in anger and we were never starving for people to fight Vietnam.
So what difference does it make now.
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SSG Rochard Gonzales
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My thoughts are simple and quick, the man (Trump) is a pathological liar & he lied to avoid serving, not so much in Vietnam, but to serve at all. I served as a LRP with Co. E, 52nd INF and spent 25 months post Nam in an Army hospital. Am I bitter, in all honesty, yes, but not for the reasons you may think. While I have had 52 years to think about the rationale of us being in Vietnam, my thoughts today are vastly different than when I was a 22 yr old E-5 in the A Shau Valley. Yet my thoughts on Draft Dodgers remain the same, particularly those that malign veterans as this man has done on more than one occasion. He is anything but a Patriot. I would say he should be ashamed of himself, but this malignant narcissist has no shame. So rather than opine as eloquently as you have, I will merely repeat my sentiments, Draft Dodgers are NOT Patriots.
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SSG Gerhard S.
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Thank you for your service, and sacrifice, and for sharing your perspective on this issue. For the record, I didn't suggest people who dodged the draft were patriots, only that I don't blame them for avoiding involuntary servitude. Respectful regards My LRP Brother. I served 19 years in LRS, including a tour in Iraq 2004-2005.
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SSG Rochard Gonzales
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SSG Seidel, thank you 4 UR Service as well. It was NOT my intention to disparage a fellow Vet & especially a LRP, but the 60’s were a decade like no other, with not only social upheaval, but political games & embarrassment as well. Yes, it is/was ‘involuntary servitude,’ but without it, we could never have mustered an army. While I TOTALLY disagree with our purpose in SE Asia and ‘that crazy Asian war,’ it is not up to us to question these decisions nor disobey our obligation to serve our country, which in many nations is a moral & legal obligation. The person in question, ‘intentionally’ evade the draft and remains the only president in history not to have served his country prior to election in an elected, judicial or military capacity, because he CHOSE otherwise utilizing forged documents & paying a doctor to oblige he devious request. Like you in Iraq, our political leader deceived us in Vietnam and because of that & the wounds I suffered, I lived in denial for nearly 50 years. Sorry, I cannot forgive nor forget.
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SMSgt Bob W.
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Rochard, tell us how you really feel. Our top elected official, POTUS, and you'll love this, since Bush II have not put on an uniform--Obama, Trump, Biden. Since 1950 all POTUS except 4 served in the military. The other was Clinton.
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SSG Rochard Gonzales
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Correct.....except that Trump is the only one of those mentioned of Vietnam era age & he willfully evaded the draft with a phony dr’s excuse. Biden was in Law School & preceded the draft & even if eligible he would have avoided combat duty due to his legal MOS. Obama was too young & again, held a Law degree from Yale so even if there was a draft he would not have been utilized. Have to call as I see it. I am 100% VA Rated disability due to multiple wounds suffered in the beautiful A Shau Valley during Operation Delaware. My fiancee’s father was a Full Bird Colonel in the Natl Guard & I could have utilized that out, but didn’t. I have little to no respect for anyone who evaded (lets be clear here, ‘avoiding’ the draft is different from evading) the draft or didn’t in some way choose to serve. Bill Clinton also evaded the draft, but I’ll cut him some slack as he served in government first as the AG of Arkansas & then as Governor for 20+ years.
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COL Doctoral Candidate In Emergency Management
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Very thoughtful post.
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LCpl Bigdoc Dockery
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Yes for sure.
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TSgt David Olson
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After serving 13 months at Pan Mun Jom Korea, I lucked out and got my "dream sheet" request, Vietnam. Dream sheets were filled out when you were getting "short" and soon to PCS. You could pick three of the listed locations, all were geographical, not specific units. I served with many "US's", draftees during my time. I saw several in both Korea and Vietnam who were so traumatized they literally cried. As to all who dodged the draft, one way or another, time has mellowed me. I really don't care anymore one way or the other. The draft ended in 1976, a long time ago.
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LCpl Kris Clark
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they made a commitment to themselves, should not be allowed to hold any public office whatsoever.
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