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Posted on Jul 19, 2018
SSG Gerhard S.
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PO2 Albert Milburn
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When I turned 18 I had to register for the draft and was called up November 1953. Served my 2 years honorable. Joined the Air National Guard until 1958 when I went active duty in Naval Aviation until I finished my tour and honorably discharged in 1967. My point here is my military training helped me to “grow up” and go to college and become a responsible husband and father. I recommend military service for everyone.
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PO2 Albert Milburn
PO2 Albert Milburn
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My military experience also allowed me to go to college under the GI bill where I finished my 4 years with a BS degree in Criminal Justice. I eventually became a school teacher after many jobs. I retired at age 81 in December 2016.
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CPL John Sutor
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So you think it's a type of servitude, thank God during ww11 no one felt it was servitude..we would all be speaking German. I myself enlisted in 1964 , MOS 111BP. 101st abn. We had draftees and they fought the good fight as good as the enlisted.
Our country needed us , we went .
Our fathers went when called in 1941 Normandy , North Africa, Guadalcanal, Germany, and so on .
They went and we went to Vietnam, let's not forget Korea . That said it is your duty to protect an defend the Country. And if you dont have the balls to do it stand aside and let the Warriors handle the problem.
" Those that stay abed on this day will hold their manhood cheap "
Shakespeare. " We few we happy few for those that shed their blood with me shall be my Brother ".
So my feeling is that this so called commander in chief, is not a leader ,hasn't the slightest clue of what it takes to command the services. His daddy got his punk ass out with some bullshit Heel spur story. 58000 + names on the Vietnam monument tells me that he could have answered the call ,even if he became a cook or a desk jockey anywhere in the world ,but no his ass wasn't about to go. Yet he reaps the benefits of some that had fought and protected his ass when he was a 19 year old mommy's boy.
There cant be any type of Mutual Respect for this guy. I think he is an intruder of the WH , and dose not deserve the title of commander in chief.
Mutual Respect to all Veterans.
John Sutor
Aco 2nd 502nd 101st Abn , Vietnam 1966.
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SSG Gerhard S.
SSG Gerhard S.
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Thank you for your voluntary service, and for sharing your thoughts on this issue. For the record, it's not about what I "think" is servitude. I didn't make up those definitions that I cited from Merriam Webster's Dictionary, and there's little doubt the draft falls under the definition of servitude. One assumes that Americans would be against servitude after we amended our constitution to NOT allow institutional servitude following a very costly war. Given this premise, one wonders why, otherwise freedom loving Americans, are so willing to submit the unwilling, to servitude. The definition of servitude does not change just because it is perpetrated by one's government.
Respectful regards.
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PO1 John Hudson
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I enlisted before my draft number came up and stayed in for 25 years, serving between the USA and USCG. The reason for the background, my feelings are based on my love for the military and this Country. While I wish the laws were different I too must concede that those who didn’t serve, avoided serving, paid not to serve or had connections, did so on the blood and tears of 18 year olds who served believing in something greater, many gave their last full measure. It sickens me to have someone who never served dishonoring those who did. Regardless of who it is.
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SSG Gerhard S.
SSG Gerhard S.
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My thanks for you sharing your experiences. I too chose to serve for 22 years, active and NG. The fact is, you, and I CHOSE to serve. We had a choice. You had the choice to volunteer, or wait to be drafted... And then many more choices to continue serving. Those who are drafted are not given that same choice, or alternatively, the choice to not serve. This is the Crux of the argument. Once we replace choice with force, or compulsion, it's no longer service, but instead, becomes servitude, at best, slavery at worst if ones choice is to not serve.
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PO1 John Hudson
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Very good points. Appreciate you sharing.
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SPC Earl Semler
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The draft was needed and I think it is needed again. Some of the bravest men I ever met were draftees. The dodgers in my opinion brought shame on the process, especially when they were given a blanket pardon. They should have stayed in Canada!
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SSG Gerhard S.
SSG Gerhard S.
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Servitude to our government, and it's politicians should be a permanent aspect of being an American? Hmmm, I had the impression that the People, and the States created the Federal government to serve the people.... not the other way around.
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SPC Earl Semler
SPC Earl Semler
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Yes the government is designed to serve the people. And part of that service is to protect and keep the freedoms we enjoy. The only way to do that is by maintaining a military. Right now our military has to continue to send their members over and over to combat zones because they do not have enough members to fight in those zones because there isn't enough volunteers to replace the ones who have already been there like in Viet Nam when there was a draft.
The government has an obligation to it's citizens, but there is also an obligation to the country by the citizens to ensure that the country is strong enough to protect them.
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1SG Patrick Sims
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As a Vietnam Veteran with 915 days in country---Let it go---I wouldn't have wished Vietnam on anyone.
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MSG Justin S.
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In 1966 at Ft. Irwin I was assigned to the 2/34th Armor 4th ID. When I reported in, there was nobody there but just a few officers and NCO's. As a PFC I was assigned to B Co and given the job of Training NCO. Over the next couple of months we received a few more officers and NCO's. Then we received draftees and a few enlisted brought in by bus. We had to rebuild some of the WW II training sites and then do basic training for the new troops followed by Armor training. We then had 2 weeks leave and the Battalion went by ship to Vietnam. Prior to shipping out we received a full staffing of officers and NCO'S. I reverted to being an Armor crewman. Later in January 1967 I was promoted to Sgt on the battlefield. I can testify to the loyalty, dedication, and professionalism of those draftees. They served with honor and some gave their lives. Our 1SG was a WW II, Korea veteran. He made it crystal clear to us back at Ft. Irwin that the citizen soldier was the one that always defended this nation. After my 27 years of service I am in full agreement with that. Requiring able bodied men to perform military service just makes them have some skin in the game. It is no more an analogy to involuntary servitude than the government requiring everyone to pay taxes. I say bring the draft back.
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SSG Gerhard S.
SSG Gerhard S.
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The draft is not analogous to involuntary servitude? Except for the fact that it's involuntary, and doesn't allow one to make ones own choices for their future...?
"servitude
1 : a condition in which one lacks liberty especially to determine one's course of action or way of life"
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MSG Justin S.
MSG Justin S.
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Try not paying taxes and then really see what constitutes involuntary servitude. You are hung up on words and definitions instead of reality.
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COL Mo Fenner
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We need to first define dodging the draft. Draft Dodgers are those who left the country or refused in some way rather than report to duty. Someone who followed the rules and was excused from the draft because of exemptions was just that: excused. I don't see a problem with that. My problem is with those who were dishonest to get those exemptions. My Dad was career military so when I turned 18, there was never any question that I would register. he did two tors in Vietnam. I enlisted before the official Vietnam era was over and I am officially a Vietnam era veteran but not a Vietnam Veteran (someone who actually deployed). With all peace, love, and forgiveness, aside, being dishonest is never the right approach.
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SGT Jerry Ericsson
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Man, I have to tell you, things were so very different in the draft era. Now I enlisted back in 1970, and back then the draft was going strong. We had switched to the lottery system because many dodgers were able to buy their way out of the draft by using the wealth of their families to keep them at home. Back then the pay in the Army was very, shall we say, minimal, not like today where a soldier can actually feed his family on his pay. There were no lines at the Recruiting Stations, in fact the lines were around the station with protesters interfering with those who would serve. When I went into the AFEES station back then, there were protesters outside the station handing out "KNOW YOUR RIGHTS" fliers made on old mimeographs like the handouts we received in school in the 50's. There were more people protesting the war in Vietnam then those who were willing to go over to fight, and I have to tell you, I still don't talk to the classmate of mine who went to Canada to avoid the Draft. Sure back then I made an attempt at enlisting in the National Guard to avoid going, but after hitting 4 units in 3 States I gave up on that, and finding myself unemployed with a pregnant wife, I enlisted so she could have coverage for the birth of my son, who was born whilst I was in mid tour in Vietnam. Things were so much different back then, I think you are looking at the past through the glasses of todays world. Believe me, they do not show the truth, you had to be there. I was, and I think that, perhaps, I have a bit better point to judge weather the draft was anything like slavery. Believe me it was NOT! Those who fled to Canada should have been prosecuted, hell I even arrested a rapist back in the 90's who had deserted the US Army back then, when we notified the Armed Forces Police, their response was just "Let it be, he will do his time for the rape, we don't mess with Vietnam era deserters!" Now for one who did enlist, and did serve over there, it was like a kick in the balls to see those who deserted get a free walk!
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SSG Gerhard S.
SSG Gerhard S.
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Thank you for sharing your first hand knowledge and experience on this issue. Your words reflect you're passion on this subject.

To be clear, I wasn't necessarily making the comparison of Conscription to the Chattel slavery of pre- 1865 America, but rather based upon the general definition of slavery. It's important to note that slavery exists around the world today in many forms with terms of millions of victims. I also presented the option of Servitude in comparison. What are your thoughts on Conscription as servitude, given the definition? Thank you again for your thoughtful comments.
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PO1 Robert Murray
PO1 Robert Murray
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Thank you sir, exactly! Those who fled to Canada and deserted should not have a time limit placed on their actions, I signed up, served and have no regrets knowing there are risks involved
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1LT B. Long
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This was a hard personal moral issue that every draft age male struggled with during the Vietnam War. To obey the law and fight and possibly die in an unpopular war on a foreign soil or resist and dodge the draft. I can understand why some men dodged the draft. I can respect their convictions, but only those who had the courage to face the music and accept the legal consequences. Those who fled out of the country like to Canada were cowards. But when the draft dodgers were eventually pardoned, it took the wind out of the sail. If our government will no longer hold these individuals accountable, then how can we remain upset with them? Personally I had a low draft number of 47 and I knew I would be drafted. I dodged the draft by enlisting in the Army. I am proud to have served my country.
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SSG Gerhard S.
SSG Gerhard S.
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Great comments, thank you for sharing your experience.
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SGT Patrick Wells
SGT Patrick Wells
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I had to consider what I would do if I was called up. I decided to to serve if called up. The draft stopped just prior to my having to sign up. My card is a 1H. I enlisted a couple years later. I just felt I owed this country something .
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SPC Andrew Ross
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Edited >1 y ago
If a potential draftee had a medical deferment, it is not as though he had rejected the military; the military had instead rejected him.
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