Posted on Jul 19, 2018
Should We Be Upset At Those Who “Dodged The Draft”?
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I’ve seen a number of posts elsewhere provocatively calling President Trump a “draft dodger” for utilizing three educational deferments and one medical exclusion during Vietnam. I know this can be a sensitive issue for many of us who have served. Many of my military friends seem to want to pile on, and comment with disdain over his actions, and this issue. Some of this is just politics, for others it’s more personal.
I’d like to present a position here that may be unpopular with some. As a freedom loving American who voluntarily served in the US Army and Michigan National Guard for 22 years, including a tour in Iraq (2004-2005), I am thankful that I’ve never had to contend with an active draft. Most of us here have served in the military. Most of us served voluntarily; some were forced to “serve”. I’ve heard some who were conscripted say they are thankful they ended up in the military, or that they were thinking about volunteering anyway. I’ve also heard some say it was the worst thing that’s ever happened to them. There are still others who can’t comment because they didn’t make it back alive.
Most of us who joined the military will tell you they served to protect the freedom that is America, and we DO enjoy a great many freedoms that people in other countries do not. Now for the controversy. Can we include a draft as one of those freedoms? I contend we cannot. I’ve heard arguments for the utility, and necessity of a draft to fight our wars. But what is a draft when we REALLY take time to consider its nature. I’d like to place two definitions below to set the premise that guides my thinking on this issue. (I always use Merriam Webster for consistency’s sake.)
Servitude: “a condition in which one lacks liberty especially to determine one's course of action or way of life.”
Slavery: “a person held in servitude as the chattel of another
: one that is completely subservient to a dominating influence“
Given these two definitions, it’s hard to argue that a draft doesn’t, at best fit the first definition, and at worst the second. When confronted with being drafted, we are given a “choice” either go to war, put your life in danger and do what you’re told, or go to jail. It’s a false choice, because either way you lose the choice to determine your life’s course of action, or you become a slave to the prison system. When I’ve made this argument, the replies, and questions seem to indicate that it’s ok to draft people for a host of reasons, and I have a host of reasons in disagreement.
“It’s a price we have to pay to live in a free country.”
Are we really free if our government can place us into servitude, or slavery without due process?
“Other countries do it.”
We’re not other countries. We’re America, and we abolished servitude, and slavery over 150 years ago. Why would we want to resurrect slavery to fight wars?
“How can we count on volunteers to enlist in great enough numbers to fight our wars?”
How about we offer commensurate pay and benefits that will draw enough citizens to volunteer? If that doesn’t work, perhaps our government should re-think the necessity of that particular engagement.
“What if we’re invaded or we’re needed to fight a great injustice somewhere else?”
If we’re invaded, one suspects there’ll be no shortage of volunteers, civilian, or military. If the cause is just, and the danger real, America has never had a shortage of volunteers.
“Don’t you find it dishonest to use deferrals, or medical exemptions to avoid the draft when others didn’t do so?”
Those deferrals, and exemptions were legal, weren’t they? Would you call taking your mortgage interest deduction, or other legal deductions to lower your tax liability as dishonest?
All of these questions, and answers, are ancillary though, because these questions ALL avoid, bypass, or totally ignore the basic premise that a draft is based upon involuntary servitude at best, and slavery at worst. So, when someone gets all up in arms about President Trump, or anybody else “dodging the draft” by taking legal deferrals, I say, “I don’t blame them”. I tell them I didn’t blame President Clinton for avoiding the draft, and I don’t blame President Trump either. My support of President Clinton in this regard back in the 1990’s certainly caused some consternation among my Republican friends. It’s the price one pays for being philosophically honest, and consistent. Some have asked, about those who fled the country to Canada to avoid the draft, while others went along with it and were deployed to Vietnam. My answer is that I didn’t blame black slaves from fleeing slavery to Canada in the 19th century nor do I blame anybody else for fleeing to Canada to escape our slavery of the Vietnam era.
I understand that the military isn’t for everybody, and we don’t want just anybody fighting next to us. I want people fighting next to me who volunteered. Someone who has that special love of country, of service, and of unit that promotes an effective force.
In summary, I start from the basic premise that a draft is involuntary servitude/slavery, and therefore I can’t blame anybody for avoiding such bonds, either within the system of deferments, and exemptions, or outside the system by fleeing the country. America is a great country because we did away with things like slavery and spearheaded the concept of economic and individual liberty. These concepts led to the greatest worldwide advancements of production, technology and efficiency ever known previous to the founding of our great nation.
I’m sincerely interested in your thoughts, comments, or questions on this issue.
I’d like to present a position here that may be unpopular with some. As a freedom loving American who voluntarily served in the US Army and Michigan National Guard for 22 years, including a tour in Iraq (2004-2005), I am thankful that I’ve never had to contend with an active draft. Most of us here have served in the military. Most of us served voluntarily; some were forced to “serve”. I’ve heard some who were conscripted say they are thankful they ended up in the military, or that they were thinking about volunteering anyway. I’ve also heard some say it was the worst thing that’s ever happened to them. There are still others who can’t comment because they didn’t make it back alive.
Most of us who joined the military will tell you they served to protect the freedom that is America, and we DO enjoy a great many freedoms that people in other countries do not. Now for the controversy. Can we include a draft as one of those freedoms? I contend we cannot. I’ve heard arguments for the utility, and necessity of a draft to fight our wars. But what is a draft when we REALLY take time to consider its nature. I’d like to place two definitions below to set the premise that guides my thinking on this issue. (I always use Merriam Webster for consistency’s sake.)
Servitude: “a condition in which one lacks liberty especially to determine one's course of action or way of life.”
Slavery: “a person held in servitude as the chattel of another
: one that is completely subservient to a dominating influence“
Given these two definitions, it’s hard to argue that a draft doesn’t, at best fit the first definition, and at worst the second. When confronted with being drafted, we are given a “choice” either go to war, put your life in danger and do what you’re told, or go to jail. It’s a false choice, because either way you lose the choice to determine your life’s course of action, or you become a slave to the prison system. When I’ve made this argument, the replies, and questions seem to indicate that it’s ok to draft people for a host of reasons, and I have a host of reasons in disagreement.
“It’s a price we have to pay to live in a free country.”
Are we really free if our government can place us into servitude, or slavery without due process?
“Other countries do it.”
We’re not other countries. We’re America, and we abolished servitude, and slavery over 150 years ago. Why would we want to resurrect slavery to fight wars?
“How can we count on volunteers to enlist in great enough numbers to fight our wars?”
How about we offer commensurate pay and benefits that will draw enough citizens to volunteer? If that doesn’t work, perhaps our government should re-think the necessity of that particular engagement.
“What if we’re invaded or we’re needed to fight a great injustice somewhere else?”
If we’re invaded, one suspects there’ll be no shortage of volunteers, civilian, or military. If the cause is just, and the danger real, America has never had a shortage of volunteers.
“Don’t you find it dishonest to use deferrals, or medical exemptions to avoid the draft when others didn’t do so?”
Those deferrals, and exemptions were legal, weren’t they? Would you call taking your mortgage interest deduction, or other legal deductions to lower your tax liability as dishonest?
All of these questions, and answers, are ancillary though, because these questions ALL avoid, bypass, or totally ignore the basic premise that a draft is based upon involuntary servitude at best, and slavery at worst. So, when someone gets all up in arms about President Trump, or anybody else “dodging the draft” by taking legal deferrals, I say, “I don’t blame them”. I tell them I didn’t blame President Clinton for avoiding the draft, and I don’t blame President Trump either. My support of President Clinton in this regard back in the 1990’s certainly caused some consternation among my Republican friends. It’s the price one pays for being philosophically honest, and consistent. Some have asked, about those who fled the country to Canada to avoid the draft, while others went along with it and were deployed to Vietnam. My answer is that I didn’t blame black slaves from fleeing slavery to Canada in the 19th century nor do I blame anybody else for fleeing to Canada to escape our slavery of the Vietnam era.
I understand that the military isn’t for everybody, and we don’t want just anybody fighting next to us. I want people fighting next to me who volunteered. Someone who has that special love of country, of service, and of unit that promotes an effective force.
In summary, I start from the basic premise that a draft is involuntary servitude/slavery, and therefore I can’t blame anybody for avoiding such bonds, either within the system of deferments, and exemptions, or outside the system by fleeing the country. America is a great country because we did away with things like slavery and spearheaded the concept of economic and individual liberty. These concepts led to the greatest worldwide advancements of production, technology and efficiency ever known previous to the founding of our great nation.
I’m sincerely interested in your thoughts, comments, or questions on this issue.
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Yes those who have or had a reason to not serve I don’t think I can fault them. But those who ran I think there should be a punishment, what that punishment should be would be up to the courts. You make a choice to follow a law or not, if you don’t then that person (who ever they may be) needs to face the consequences of their decision. But that’s just my opinion.
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Vietnam , for those who had the money dodging the draft was relatively easy as the draft boards and clerks were people who were susceptible to pressure influence and money, by 1967 the female anti war were in the majority and for seniors and college students that was heavy influence to buy out and if no money or influence attempt to join the reserves national guard or run . I have little respect for the buy outs and the Guard and reserves at that time were a pretty safe bet but running took a bit more courage
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"Should We Be Upset At Those Who “Dodged The Draft?" No.
I wasn't there at that point in time, and only need concern myself with the problems before me right now today. There is simply to much hyperbole rolled into concerning myself with what someone did or didn't do and why.
Don't let someone else take up free rent in your head, they're not paying you for the space!
I wasn't there at that point in time, and only need concern myself with the problems before me right now today. There is simply to much hyperbole rolled into concerning myself with what someone did or didn't do and why.
Don't let someone else take up free rent in your head, they're not paying you for the space!
SSG Gerhard S.
Again, not a single specific criticism. Just an attack on the author. One suspects you don't have any actual points, other than you emotionally disagree. Feel free to prove me wrong with some actual arguments that dispute what I've written, either factually, or historically. Regards
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It's tough on this. If the law says you can avoid it by this that and the other thing and you followed the law then I personally can't get mad at you. The law/rule says this and you followed it. I won't like it but I can't get mad at you. It goes along with people who make some bogus claims with VA and they get the claims. They followed the rules you know. Its a tough Motrin 800 pill to swallow but it is what it is and there is not much we can do about it. I figure if you do what your suppose to do and worry about yourself then your good. It's a crap answer but at the end of the day or your career you have to take of yourself.
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Interesting take and as far as I'm concerned I will have to think on it some. I would prefer an opportunity for everyone to serve in alternative manners; as the Korean and Israeli governments do (or at least did, as I'm no expert on recent obligations in both cultures at the present moment).
In my spiritual authority system, everyone was numbered in Israel and it was for military service. David was held accountable for doing it when God had not sanctioned it. However, previously allowed those exhausted from a long march to the front to stay "with the baggage" but they were stull allowed to share in the spoils for showing up. Sets up some princilples for universal service for a good and illegitimate cause. With leadership held accountable for the illegitimae one; sort of as I believe the allies did with the German people and leaders.
One of my beefs with Trump was, and I admit did not vote for him in the primaries but did in both general elections. I have an extreme disdain for what I have heard from his talk at times towards people who did serve. Yeah, he changed his tune somewhat after he became commander-in-chief but one of his problems is he is so caustic he is hard to like. I couldn't escape my personal feeling, gleaned from the way he talked about those of us who served; that he thought if we had been influential enough or smart enough (like he saw himself) we would not have gotten mixed up is such things.
Maybe, I'm victim of the media select presentation of him, but that is my feeling unless I see something different in the future. Also, whoever is managing his continuing campaign to get back into it is as obnoxious as they can be in the email, text and snail mail solicitations for support.
In my spiritual authority system, everyone was numbered in Israel and it was for military service. David was held accountable for doing it when God had not sanctioned it. However, previously allowed those exhausted from a long march to the front to stay "with the baggage" but they were stull allowed to share in the spoils for showing up. Sets up some princilples for universal service for a good and illegitimate cause. With leadership held accountable for the illegitimae one; sort of as I believe the allies did with the German people and leaders.
One of my beefs with Trump was, and I admit did not vote for him in the primaries but did in both general elections. I have an extreme disdain for what I have heard from his talk at times towards people who did serve. Yeah, he changed his tune somewhat after he became commander-in-chief but one of his problems is he is so caustic he is hard to like. I couldn't escape my personal feeling, gleaned from the way he talked about those of us who served; that he thought if we had been influential enough or smart enough (like he saw himself) we would not have gotten mixed up is such things.
Maybe, I'm victim of the media select presentation of him, but that is my feeling unless I see something different in the future. Also, whoever is managing his continuing campaign to get back into it is as obnoxious as they can be in the email, text and snail mail solicitations for support.
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Yep, trump dodged the draft, and bragged about and insulted Gold Star Families.
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SSG Gerhard S.
Thank you for your service, and thank you for sharing your talking points on President Trump, while avoiding the actual question of whether the USA should engage in the forced servitude of its citizens, without charges, or due process. Respectful regards.
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SSG Gerhard S.
Respectfully, as always,..... "Trump" is all you got out of this article? This article is not about Trump. Did you even read past the first sentence? Genuinely curious.
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You evidently don't know how the draft and deferments were set up. Trumps legal deferments ended in May 1968 when he graduated from college. His "bone spurs" reclassification didn't appear until 1970, 68 to 70 was illegal draft dodging. Clinton also illegally dodged the draft. No respect for either of them. Since you weren't around back then I understand your confusion about the issue. I kind of get the idea that you didn't serve in a combat zone as an 11 bravo.
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SSG Gerhard S.
Thank you for sharing your perspective. First, you are incorrect regarding my service. I did serve as a 11B , in combat. OIF 2 as a LRS team leader. Second, the point of the article isn't deferments. Instead it's the nature of the draft, as a mechanism of forced servitude. Respectful regards.
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