Posted on Jul 19, 2018
Should We Be Upset At Those Who “Dodged The Draft”?
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I’ve seen a number of posts elsewhere provocatively calling President Trump a “draft dodger” for utilizing three educational deferments and one medical exclusion during Vietnam. I know this can be a sensitive issue for many of us who have served. Many of my military friends seem to want to pile on, and comment with disdain over his actions, and this issue. Some of this is just politics, for others it’s more personal.
I’d like to present a position here that may be unpopular with some. As a freedom loving American who voluntarily served in the US Army and Michigan National Guard for 22 years, including a tour in Iraq (2004-2005), I am thankful that I’ve never had to contend with an active draft. Most of us here have served in the military. Most of us served voluntarily; some were forced to “serve”. I’ve heard some who were conscripted say they are thankful they ended up in the military, or that they were thinking about volunteering anyway. I’ve also heard some say it was the worst thing that’s ever happened to them. There are still others who can’t comment because they didn’t make it back alive.
Most of us who joined the military will tell you they served to protect the freedom that is America, and we DO enjoy a great many freedoms that people in other countries do not. Now for the controversy. Can we include a draft as one of those freedoms? I contend we cannot. I’ve heard arguments for the utility, and necessity of a draft to fight our wars. But what is a draft when we REALLY take time to consider its nature. I’d like to place two definitions below to set the premise that guides my thinking on this issue. (I always use Merriam Webster for consistency’s sake.)
Servitude: “a condition in which one lacks liberty especially to determine one's course of action or way of life.”
Slavery: “a person held in servitude as the chattel of another
: one that is completely subservient to a dominating influence“
Given these two definitions, it’s hard to argue that a draft doesn’t, at best fit the first definition, and at worst the second. When confronted with being drafted, we are given a “choice” either go to war, put your life in danger and do what you’re told, or go to jail. It’s a false choice, because either way you lose the choice to determine your life’s course of action, or you become a slave to the prison system. When I’ve made this argument, the replies, and questions seem to indicate that it’s ok to draft people for a host of reasons, and I have a host of reasons in disagreement.
“It’s a price we have to pay to live in a free country.”
Are we really free if our government can place us into servitude, or slavery without due process?
“Other countries do it.”
We’re not other countries. We’re America, and we abolished servitude, and slavery over 150 years ago. Why would we want to resurrect slavery to fight wars?
“How can we count on volunteers to enlist in great enough numbers to fight our wars?”
How about we offer commensurate pay and benefits that will draw enough citizens to volunteer? If that doesn’t work, perhaps our government should re-think the necessity of that particular engagement.
“What if we’re invaded or we’re needed to fight a great injustice somewhere else?”
If we’re invaded, one suspects there’ll be no shortage of volunteers, civilian, or military. If the cause is just, and the danger real, America has never had a shortage of volunteers.
“Don’t you find it dishonest to use deferrals, or medical exemptions to avoid the draft when others didn’t do so?”
Those deferrals, and exemptions were legal, weren’t they? Would you call taking your mortgage interest deduction, or other legal deductions to lower your tax liability as dishonest?
All of these questions, and answers, are ancillary though, because these questions ALL avoid, bypass, or totally ignore the basic premise that a draft is based upon involuntary servitude at best, and slavery at worst. So, when someone gets all up in arms about President Trump, or anybody else “dodging the draft” by taking legal deferrals, I say, “I don’t blame them”. I tell them I didn’t blame President Clinton for avoiding the draft, and I don’t blame President Trump either. My support of President Clinton in this regard back in the 1990’s certainly caused some consternation among my Republican friends. It’s the price one pays for being philosophically honest, and consistent. Some have asked, about those who fled the country to Canada to avoid the draft, while others went along with it and were deployed to Vietnam. My answer is that I didn’t blame black slaves from fleeing slavery to Canada in the 19th century nor do I blame anybody else for fleeing to Canada to escape our slavery of the Vietnam era.
I understand that the military isn’t for everybody, and we don’t want just anybody fighting next to us. I want people fighting next to me who volunteered. Someone who has that special love of country, of service, and of unit that promotes an effective force.
In summary, I start from the basic premise that a draft is involuntary servitude/slavery, and therefore I can’t blame anybody for avoiding such bonds, either within the system of deferments, and exemptions, or outside the system by fleeing the country. America is a great country because we did away with things like slavery and spearheaded the concept of economic and individual liberty. These concepts led to the greatest worldwide advancements of production, technology and efficiency ever known previous to the founding of our great nation.
I’m sincerely interested in your thoughts, comments, or questions on this issue.
I’d like to present a position here that may be unpopular with some. As a freedom loving American who voluntarily served in the US Army and Michigan National Guard for 22 years, including a tour in Iraq (2004-2005), I am thankful that I’ve never had to contend with an active draft. Most of us here have served in the military. Most of us served voluntarily; some were forced to “serve”. I’ve heard some who were conscripted say they are thankful they ended up in the military, or that they were thinking about volunteering anyway. I’ve also heard some say it was the worst thing that’s ever happened to them. There are still others who can’t comment because they didn’t make it back alive.
Most of us who joined the military will tell you they served to protect the freedom that is America, and we DO enjoy a great many freedoms that people in other countries do not. Now for the controversy. Can we include a draft as one of those freedoms? I contend we cannot. I’ve heard arguments for the utility, and necessity of a draft to fight our wars. But what is a draft when we REALLY take time to consider its nature. I’d like to place two definitions below to set the premise that guides my thinking on this issue. (I always use Merriam Webster for consistency’s sake.)
Servitude: “a condition in which one lacks liberty especially to determine one's course of action or way of life.”
Slavery: “a person held in servitude as the chattel of another
: one that is completely subservient to a dominating influence“
Given these two definitions, it’s hard to argue that a draft doesn’t, at best fit the first definition, and at worst the second. When confronted with being drafted, we are given a “choice” either go to war, put your life in danger and do what you’re told, or go to jail. It’s a false choice, because either way you lose the choice to determine your life’s course of action, or you become a slave to the prison system. When I’ve made this argument, the replies, and questions seem to indicate that it’s ok to draft people for a host of reasons, and I have a host of reasons in disagreement.
“It’s a price we have to pay to live in a free country.”
Are we really free if our government can place us into servitude, or slavery without due process?
“Other countries do it.”
We’re not other countries. We’re America, and we abolished servitude, and slavery over 150 years ago. Why would we want to resurrect slavery to fight wars?
“How can we count on volunteers to enlist in great enough numbers to fight our wars?”
How about we offer commensurate pay and benefits that will draw enough citizens to volunteer? If that doesn’t work, perhaps our government should re-think the necessity of that particular engagement.
“What if we’re invaded or we’re needed to fight a great injustice somewhere else?”
If we’re invaded, one suspects there’ll be no shortage of volunteers, civilian, or military. If the cause is just, and the danger real, America has never had a shortage of volunteers.
“Don’t you find it dishonest to use deferrals, or medical exemptions to avoid the draft when others didn’t do so?”
Those deferrals, and exemptions were legal, weren’t they? Would you call taking your mortgage interest deduction, or other legal deductions to lower your tax liability as dishonest?
All of these questions, and answers, are ancillary though, because these questions ALL avoid, bypass, or totally ignore the basic premise that a draft is based upon involuntary servitude at best, and slavery at worst. So, when someone gets all up in arms about President Trump, or anybody else “dodging the draft” by taking legal deferrals, I say, “I don’t blame them”. I tell them I didn’t blame President Clinton for avoiding the draft, and I don’t blame President Trump either. My support of President Clinton in this regard back in the 1990’s certainly caused some consternation among my Republican friends. It’s the price one pays for being philosophically honest, and consistent. Some have asked, about those who fled the country to Canada to avoid the draft, while others went along with it and were deployed to Vietnam. My answer is that I didn’t blame black slaves from fleeing slavery to Canada in the 19th century nor do I blame anybody else for fleeing to Canada to escape our slavery of the Vietnam era.
I understand that the military isn’t for everybody, and we don’t want just anybody fighting next to us. I want people fighting next to me who volunteered. Someone who has that special love of country, of service, and of unit that promotes an effective force.
In summary, I start from the basic premise that a draft is involuntary servitude/slavery, and therefore I can’t blame anybody for avoiding such bonds, either within the system of deferments, and exemptions, or outside the system by fleeing the country. America is a great country because we did away with things like slavery and spearheaded the concept of economic and individual liberty. These concepts led to the greatest worldwide advancements of production, technology and efficiency ever known previous to the founding of our great nation.
I’m sincerely interested in your thoughts, comments, or questions on this issue.
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sorry about the extra comment, but after reading most of the rhetoric by those that seem to claim the honor of serving this country, i just wanted to mention that most of the comments were about the article, i resent the constant flow of personal opinions about politics and personal attacks at every opportunity, youtube music videos, movie clips, race videos, news stories of tragic events, nothing escapes these people that think they are experts on every event they mention. we have events that happen as recent as days or weeks ago that millions differ on, i fail to understand how any one person can know what a pow did so many years before they were even born. one comment even complained about someone with a medical deferment, not sure of most but i would not want to go into battle with a deaf person or someone with failing vision, a bad heart, spinal defects etc. so just wanted to share my opinion. thanks
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it depends on who you mean by "we", i don't believe everyone has the right to look down on that person, especially in the general way it's presented. i joined in 1959 and was one of the lucky that saw no combat. there is also in the article where it says and put our life in danger, my thoughts are more concerned with killing others rather than being in danger. i don't think im the only person in the country that if faced with the possibility of being in combat could honestly say what they would have done.
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I was, I lost too many friends in Vietnam to not be upset with them and also the Deserters too. When I was stationed in Germany in 1968 to 1971 we had a Deserter who came to my unit to turn his self in. He had gotten his $10,000 reup bonus and deserted to Sweden. He finally wanted to come home after all those years.
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I located some of the guys I served with in Vietnam. One of them re-enlisted after a period of civilian life and went on to become a 1st sgt with 34 years under his belt. He was drafted. I have met several "Lifers" that were drafted.
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No,and yes
The vets from NAM use to tell me, they thought about it, but didn’t, they say it’s takes a special person to go somewhere knowing your could die.
But if your number was called, go do your duty and come home.
Everyone had to make a choice, and there was no fence to stand on, either you went, or you ran.
Back in 1985, I was doing awol recovery, we pick up a older man that was awol from NAM.
I hold no I’ll will to a person who ran, he has to live with that, for the rest of his life.
AATW
The vets from NAM use to tell me, they thought about it, but didn’t, they say it’s takes a special person to go somewhere knowing your could die.
But if your number was called, go do your duty and come home.
Everyone had to make a choice, and there was no fence to stand on, either you went, or you ran.
Back in 1985, I was doing awol recovery, we pick up a older man that was awol from NAM.
I hold no I’ll will to a person who ran, he has to live with that, for the rest of his life.
AATW
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I was a draftee and most of the men in my unit were. I trusted them with my life, even if they did not volunteer for the Army or Vietnam. What bothers me is the draft dodgers or evaders who now that they safe in old age turn into War Hawks.
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PERSONAL FOOTWORK SPEAKS VOLUMES...COWARDICE??? YEAH!!! EVERY MAN THAT WAS DRAFTED WAS FRIGHTENED...GUYS THAT ENLISTED DID SO TO AVOID 'NAM...IF YOU WERE LUCKY ENUFF TO CATCH A GIG IN THE NAVY OR AIR FORCE, YOU'VE GOT A NEW CAREER...
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Most of these were young and ignorant of concepts like Honor and Integrity. Well acquainted though with egoism and self service. Upset with them? Nah... Just another kind of civilian. As long as they stay away from the halls of government and go about their lives not impacting anyone else, who cares? Try to make it into any place in government, then they should be derided and shamed to the maximum.
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Great Points all. I know a lot of guys who used those deferments and avoided the draft. I also come form a family with a long line of military service. Most of those I know who avoided it have told me they wish they had just gone and spent their time in the military. They look back now and see the "Brotherhood" they'll never be able to be a part of.
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I will just say this, if you are "outraged" by Pres. Trump's "draft dodging" then please show the same contempt for Pres. Clinton and VP Biden. If you feel the Pres. Trump didn't do anything wrong, please do not change that position for Clinton or Biden. Just try to be consistent with your outrage.
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