Posted on Jul 29, 2018
Sinking Standards And Indoctrination: A Veteran's View Of The College Experience
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When I graduated high school I immediately enlisted in the military. After months completing OSUT at Fort Knox, Kentucky, and a brief vacation home for HRAP, I was stationed at Fort Hood, Texas. Over the next few years, my education would come in the form of deployments, field training exercises, structured self-development courses, and professional development schools. I wanted something more though. I looked forward to a time where my career would be at such an optempo as to allow for me to complete my formal civilian education. That time never came. Instead, I found myself medically retired at the age of twenty-four. After a brief stint of wallowing in my own self-pity, I decided to get my life back on track and, ten years after graduating high school, I found myself front and center in a college classroom.
I had previously imagined how college would be. I was never a great student in high school; more often than not, I was a slacker who managed to skate by with good test scores. In my head, I thought that, at best, I would be roughly a B student if I put some real effort into my work. Due to the VA educational benefits that I had earned, I did not have to split my time between working some part time job to pay the bills and use my spare time to complete schoolwork. No, I could completely dedicate myself to my studies. I soon found that my vision of what college would be was nothing close to the reality of it.
I soon found that I was not expected to put in the kind of effort that I had set out to do. Surrounded by hordes of young kids, ranging in ages between 18 and 22 mostly, I was easily one of the oldest people in each classroom. Most of the students didn’t do the assigned readings, turned in homework late, and scored terribly on midterms and finals; did they know something I didn’t? Yes, they did. It would seem that the American education system had morphed from a place to broaden one’s formal education and promote critical thinking to a daycare of sorts where these teenagers and early-twenty-somethings could prolong their childhoods for a few more years while the teachers, in what can only be rationalized as an effort to keep their jobs “useful”, tossed passing grades on to transcripts. Eventually, without learning how to even properly format a paper, these students would graduate with Bachelor’s Degrees in their various disciplines. This is not at all an exaggeration, sadly.
Just recently, I completed a condensed three credit hour course during the summer 2018 semester. I didn’t have to study, I didn’t open up the books after the first week, and I spent most of the lecture time arguing with the professor. I ended up with a final grade of over 99%. How did this happen? Well, because the course was simple to begin with. I was always going to get a low ‘A’, but the reason that it was nearly a perfect grade was because the professor continually added extra points to exams and assignments in order to ensure that every student received a passing grade. If this sounds asinine to you, it should. The idiotic professor’s disgusting and intellectually dishonest practice allowed me to receive a 121% on an exam just so a few more undeserving idiots could pass. This is what the American education system has become.
Now, I have spoken before about a professor that I have become quite close to; in fact, if it were not for our professional, student-teacher relationship, I may go as far as to say we were friends. She has not yet been taken in by this system of inflating grades to ensure the survival of her position, but even she has voiced how the standards that students are being held to are abysmal at best. Reading comprehension is non-existent, the ability to write a coherent paper of over a page and a half is rare, and it would seem that grades are seen, by students, as not earned by virtue of hard-work and demonstrated understanding but rather they are bought and paid for via their tuition. This may be a symptom of the rampant entitlement that seems to be almost ubiquitous amongst this up and coming generation. Sadly, I belong to this generation.
At the very same time that students are being shuffled through their university education, many professors take the opportunity to vomit their vile personal beliefs from the lectern. In the army we always joked about fighting communists as if it were a thing of the distant past, but it would seem alive and well. I never imagined having to defend the American way of life in a classroom and yet, time after time, I find myself defending the constitution, capitalism, and the rule of law from whole groups who believe that the founding fathers had it all wrong. If the fact that students were getting unearned diplomas was not enough to anger me, listening to students and professors preach the many blessings of communism surely did the trick.
After two more semesters I will graduate with my BA in English; I am on track to graduate with honors. I will be throwing my application for admission to a short list of institutions and I have no doubt that I will be allowed to attend one of them. I can only hope that graduate school will not be tainted with the same practices as undergrad.
If attending college has taught me one thing so far, it is that traditional, four year degrees should not be sought by everyone. In fact, I have become a firm believer in the value of technical schools and trades. Were it possible to go into my field, teaching, without a liberal arts degree, I would. What has become apparent is that the often spoken lie that one cannot be a success without a college degree has been espoused so many times that we all seem to believe it and that is sad. I have an entire group of very close friends who have never attended college, some of them dropped out of high school, and they are all on their way to making far more money in their careers than I can ever hope to make as a college English professor. Perhaps we would be better off if students understood the value of some of these careers or at least understood the necessity of hard work.
I had previously imagined how college would be. I was never a great student in high school; more often than not, I was a slacker who managed to skate by with good test scores. In my head, I thought that, at best, I would be roughly a B student if I put some real effort into my work. Due to the VA educational benefits that I had earned, I did not have to split my time between working some part time job to pay the bills and use my spare time to complete schoolwork. No, I could completely dedicate myself to my studies. I soon found that my vision of what college would be was nothing close to the reality of it.
I soon found that I was not expected to put in the kind of effort that I had set out to do. Surrounded by hordes of young kids, ranging in ages between 18 and 22 mostly, I was easily one of the oldest people in each classroom. Most of the students didn’t do the assigned readings, turned in homework late, and scored terribly on midterms and finals; did they know something I didn’t? Yes, they did. It would seem that the American education system had morphed from a place to broaden one’s formal education and promote critical thinking to a daycare of sorts where these teenagers and early-twenty-somethings could prolong their childhoods for a few more years while the teachers, in what can only be rationalized as an effort to keep their jobs “useful”, tossed passing grades on to transcripts. Eventually, without learning how to even properly format a paper, these students would graduate with Bachelor’s Degrees in their various disciplines. This is not at all an exaggeration, sadly.
Just recently, I completed a condensed three credit hour course during the summer 2018 semester. I didn’t have to study, I didn’t open up the books after the first week, and I spent most of the lecture time arguing with the professor. I ended up with a final grade of over 99%. How did this happen? Well, because the course was simple to begin with. I was always going to get a low ‘A’, but the reason that it was nearly a perfect grade was because the professor continually added extra points to exams and assignments in order to ensure that every student received a passing grade. If this sounds asinine to you, it should. The idiotic professor’s disgusting and intellectually dishonest practice allowed me to receive a 121% on an exam just so a few more undeserving idiots could pass. This is what the American education system has become.
Now, I have spoken before about a professor that I have become quite close to; in fact, if it were not for our professional, student-teacher relationship, I may go as far as to say we were friends. She has not yet been taken in by this system of inflating grades to ensure the survival of her position, but even she has voiced how the standards that students are being held to are abysmal at best. Reading comprehension is non-existent, the ability to write a coherent paper of over a page and a half is rare, and it would seem that grades are seen, by students, as not earned by virtue of hard-work and demonstrated understanding but rather they are bought and paid for via their tuition. This may be a symptom of the rampant entitlement that seems to be almost ubiquitous amongst this up and coming generation. Sadly, I belong to this generation.
At the very same time that students are being shuffled through their university education, many professors take the opportunity to vomit their vile personal beliefs from the lectern. In the army we always joked about fighting communists as if it were a thing of the distant past, but it would seem alive and well. I never imagined having to defend the American way of life in a classroom and yet, time after time, I find myself defending the constitution, capitalism, and the rule of law from whole groups who believe that the founding fathers had it all wrong. If the fact that students were getting unearned diplomas was not enough to anger me, listening to students and professors preach the many blessings of communism surely did the trick.
After two more semesters I will graduate with my BA in English; I am on track to graduate with honors. I will be throwing my application for admission to a short list of institutions and I have no doubt that I will be allowed to attend one of them. I can only hope that graduate school will not be tainted with the same practices as undergrad.
If attending college has taught me one thing so far, it is that traditional, four year degrees should not be sought by everyone. In fact, I have become a firm believer in the value of technical schools and trades. Were it possible to go into my field, teaching, without a liberal arts degree, I would. What has become apparent is that the often spoken lie that one cannot be a success without a college degree has been espoused so many times that we all seem to believe it and that is sad. I have an entire group of very close friends who have never attended college, some of them dropped out of high school, and they are all on their way to making far more money in their careers than I can ever hope to make as a college English professor. Perhaps we would be better off if students understood the value of some of these careers or at least understood the necessity of hard work.
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I would caution you... not to assume that your own personal experience with college speaks for all experiences, as mine was, for the most part, wholly different.
I received my Associates recently from a State college & earned a 4.0 GPA in the end. That degree and the grades are a result of literally thousands of hours put into my studies. Teachers didn't hand out A's, expected students to do the work or receive the subsequent poor grade. Goofing off or talking during class was not tolerated. In the end, I was able to develop great relationships with my professors because they recognized my desire to succeed and not just "get thru school." I've quite enjoyed my academic experience thus far.
I received my Associates recently from a State college & earned a 4.0 GPA in the end. That degree and the grades are a result of literally thousands of hours put into my studies. Teachers didn't hand out A's, expected students to do the work or receive the subsequent poor grade. Goofing off or talking during class was not tolerated. In the end, I was able to develop great relationships with my professors because they recognized my desire to succeed and not just "get thru school." I've quite enjoyed my academic experience thus far.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
As I have said numerous times in comments responding to this piece - and with any effort it could be deduced - that this is an experience that is occurring but, as with many things in this life, experiences may vary. I cannot speak to each and every institution. The fact is that this happens at many places and it is also a fact that if it is at one that is too many. Just a brief scanning of responses will give examples of others who have had similar experiences. I need not be cautioned as I know what I have said and know it to be true.
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First of all, congratulations. Second, I hope reach whatever goal you have in getting an education. College educations can take a short time (i.e., Associate level) to accomplish, or in my case, quite some time to get a Bachelor's degree. I was a terrible student in high school. Growing up, all I ever wanted to be was a Soldier. Thought I'd be a grizzled old sergeant with many stripes down my arm. I watched too many war movies or comedies growing up, I guess. Plus, my family has a history of serving.
I started my college education when I was on active duty in the Army while stationed in West Berlin in 1980. University of Maryland University College (UMUC). I had some detours when I got out of the Army in 1986 and went the local community college route full-time, and then had to go to work full-time after figuring out that I didn't know exactly what I wanted to study. When I started, I had intended on getting a Political Science degree, then some sort of technology degree. I think I had 10-12 declared "majors", before I finally graduated in 1997 from UMUC (with part-time study) with a B.S. degree in Technical Management. In between, I also was able to earn an A.A.S. degree from the Community College of the Air Force.
Does my degree have any relevancy to my current occupation? In short, no. I work with both degreed and non-degreed individuals. Some are managers without degrees, while some have them. The higher up the chain you go, the degree matters more. Most people I know don't work in the areas that they majored in.
The same can be true of certified or non-certified people. I've earned a number of certifications, some of which I have allowed to expire, while the more important ones (at least to me), I maintain because they are relevant to my professional career. I placed a lot of effort into attaining the certifications. I'm not about to let them go. There are those that say that certifications are bogus. That's true for them, but not for me.
Teachers and counselors in Elementary, Junior High School, and High School didn't exactly think I was capable of much, mostly because I was considered shy, quiet, and I stuttered. Going into the Army was the first, best thing to happen for me. But my degree is mine and mine alone, forever. I didn't get my degree for anyone else, but me. I earned it.
For you, and this is my message to you, while you are in school, don't worry about the qualifications and skills of others. You are there for one purpose, and that is not to espouse on how things are going elsewhere. You are there for yourself. Your degree, once you've earned them are yours and yours alone. Celebrate the accomplishment.
I started my college education when I was on active duty in the Army while stationed in West Berlin in 1980. University of Maryland University College (UMUC). I had some detours when I got out of the Army in 1986 and went the local community college route full-time, and then had to go to work full-time after figuring out that I didn't know exactly what I wanted to study. When I started, I had intended on getting a Political Science degree, then some sort of technology degree. I think I had 10-12 declared "majors", before I finally graduated in 1997 from UMUC (with part-time study) with a B.S. degree in Technical Management. In between, I also was able to earn an A.A.S. degree from the Community College of the Air Force.
Does my degree have any relevancy to my current occupation? In short, no. I work with both degreed and non-degreed individuals. Some are managers without degrees, while some have them. The higher up the chain you go, the degree matters more. Most people I know don't work in the areas that they majored in.
The same can be true of certified or non-certified people. I've earned a number of certifications, some of which I have allowed to expire, while the more important ones (at least to me), I maintain because they are relevant to my professional career. I placed a lot of effort into attaining the certifications. I'm not about to let them go. There are those that say that certifications are bogus. That's true for them, but not for me.
Teachers and counselors in Elementary, Junior High School, and High School didn't exactly think I was capable of much, mostly because I was considered shy, quiet, and I stuttered. Going into the Army was the first, best thing to happen for me. But my degree is mine and mine alone, forever. I didn't get my degree for anyone else, but me. I earned it.
For you, and this is my message to you, while you are in school, don't worry about the qualifications and skills of others. You are there for one purpose, and that is not to espouse on how things are going elsewhere. You are there for yourself. Your degree, once you've earned them are yours and yours alone. Celebrate the accomplishment.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
My plan is to go all the way through my PhD. It shouldn't be all too difficult. It will have taken me two years for the BA and the programs that I am applying to for grad school are projected to take from 5 to 6 years. Now, you said to celebrate my own accomplishments; is that not made harder when looking at people who you know, without a shadow of a doubt, should be failing and are passing the same courses that you are? Doesn't the fact that passing is an obvious given make even graduating with honors less impressive? It is the responsibility of everyone who is currently in and who plans to be in the academy to ensure that standards are upheld in order to keep the college degree worth a damn. It is because we let people slide through the giant cracks that the present day undergrad is worth about as much as a high school diploma only a few decades ago. Think of it as if it were the military: would you want to serve along side someone that you know doesn't understand the first thing about being a soldier? Of course not! That guy is going to get people - maybe you - killed. The same applies to college. Why do I want to be associated with idiots who should be flipping burgers and are going to be allowed instead to teach children, build bridges, possibly slide through the cracks somewhere else to go into law or medicine (god knows that programs like AA allow for less that qualified candidates to get in over those with the right stuff). This is an issue.
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MSgt Neil Greenfield
Well, I can see that you're passionate about this topic. But think of it this way. Civilian life is not like life in the military. School life is not like work life. Everyone has their 'station in life'. All of us are different in some aspect. There used to be a tradition of being the 'Goat' at West Point, the 'Goat' having the honor of being at the bottom of their class. One of those 'Goats' was George S. Patton. Look at the mark on history he left. Even the Naval Academy has their "Anchorman".
Army National Guard officers only a few years ago were required to have their B.S. degrees completed before they reached the rank of Major. That has probably changed. Then there were the enlisted pilots of the USAAC. I used to live next to one a few years ago. He flew P-38's in the Pacific theater during WWII. He didn't have more than a High School education. He even turned down a commission.
Both Stephen Jobs and Bill Gates never finished college, yet look at how successful they became. College education is great, but it's not the only place where you can get an education. You essentially thumbed your nose at those who get AA degrees, but that's an elitist view. And who defines what is the 'right stuff'? There are a lot of successful people who 'only' have AA degrees. And remember, getting an education is not the same thing as having experience.
Everyone has their talents, and everyone is not the same person. I've learned over the years that although there are people who are woefully unqualified to be in positions they shouldn't be in, eventually they will be replaced. That's called patience.
You're competing with other people in getting an education when you should ultimately be competing with yourself. It's like target shooting or golf. You may be part of a team, and you want your team to win, but ultimately it's the skills you apply by yourself that enable you to be successful, both for yourself and the team.
Army National Guard officers only a few years ago were required to have their B.S. degrees completed before they reached the rank of Major. That has probably changed. Then there were the enlisted pilots of the USAAC. I used to live next to one a few years ago. He flew P-38's in the Pacific theater during WWII. He didn't have more than a High School education. He even turned down a commission.
Both Stephen Jobs and Bill Gates never finished college, yet look at how successful they became. College education is great, but it's not the only place where you can get an education. You essentially thumbed your nose at those who get AA degrees, but that's an elitist view. And who defines what is the 'right stuff'? There are a lot of successful people who 'only' have AA degrees. And remember, getting an education is not the same thing as having experience.
Everyone has their talents, and everyone is not the same person. I've learned over the years that although there are people who are woefully unqualified to be in positions they shouldn't be in, eventually they will be replaced. That's called patience.
You're competing with other people in getting an education when you should ultimately be competing with yourself. It's like target shooting or golf. You may be part of a team, and you want your team to win, but ultimately it's the skills you apply by yourself that enable you to be successful, both for yourself and the team.
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Graduate school??? Recommendation: Choose carefully. Your experience will depend on the academic community you choose. (I did NOT say, "chooses you".) Do you want to teach English literature? Are you interested in rhetoric? Writing? What level... high school... community college... liberal arts university... research university??? Where can you go to work with a professor whose interests are the same as you? Remember that graduate school is about becoming a colleague NOT being a student. You have every right to expect rigor from academia but you need to be selective to ensure you pick a university where rigor is a requirement.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
I would like to teach creative writing and literature at a university. I am applying to a handful of institutions but regardless of which I attend I will more than likely surrounded by many people who are entirely different than I am. This becomes even more of a possibility if accepted to an MFA program (as opposed to an MA) where I fully expect everyone to be left-wing loon-bags.
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MAJ Phil Margeta-Cacace
Hmmm... MFA. Familiar with this (got one). Know a number of programs & willing to share what I know. Is there someway to swap contact info? Not sure if our exchange in Rally Point is jus' us two kidz or if the whole world is gonna be reading, too. Might be more helpful if we can interact live, either VOCOM or chat. Email is OK too, if you're OK with latency: Sometimes email turns into an "overnighter" waiting for a response. Your call. (PS Writing is my focus, too. Got my MFA from Chapman, my PhD at FSU.)
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I can attest to this. As an adjunct professor, teaching a history course, I noticed a profound lack of motivation among students. The course I was teaching was not difficult, and I avoided asking questions designed to trip up the test-taker (unlike some professors I've had), but about half of my students had trouble passing easy tests, even though I did reviews prior to testing in which I ensured we covered everything that might be on the test.
Toward the end of the semester I had everyone write a 5-page paper. This was not an English class, so I was not going to nitpick on spelling and punctuation, but I told them to at least use spell check, to have an identifiable thesis statement, and to defend it in a readable paper without and overabundance of grammar, spelling, and punctuation mistakes. I also gave clear instructions and examples of how they were to annotate their sources. I did not think this to be overly difficult, as it was something I had to do regularly when attending a private Christian university 15 years before. When I got the papers back, only a couple were readable, and only one student had followed instructions on annotation of sources. The rest did their own thing.
In the end, only half the class ended up with passing grades in an easy class, and some of those just barely. I was pressured by the college to modify the grades so more students would pass, but I told them that would be a disservice to the students, and would make the class meaningless. I have not been offered another class to teach at that college.
Toward the end of the semester I had everyone write a 5-page paper. This was not an English class, so I was not going to nitpick on spelling and punctuation, but I told them to at least use spell check, to have an identifiable thesis statement, and to defend it in a readable paper without and overabundance of grammar, spelling, and punctuation mistakes. I also gave clear instructions and examples of how they were to annotate their sources. I did not think this to be overly difficult, as it was something I had to do regularly when attending a private Christian university 15 years before. When I got the papers back, only a couple were readable, and only one student had followed instructions on annotation of sources. The rest did their own thing.
In the end, only half the class ended up with passing grades in an easy class, and some of those just barely. I was pressured by the college to modify the grades so more students would pass, but I told them that would be a disservice to the students, and would make the class meaningless. I have not been offered another class to teach at that college.
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True. There are also school districts (K-12 level) that get millions in government funding due to high failure rates. Instead of addressing the problems, they use these funds to improve the facilities of administration buildings, while the students are in buildings that should be condemned. Then, since they need to show some improvement, but the standards of how much improvement are low, they game the system to try to ensure that any improvement is only by 2 to 3 percentage points. I experienced this first-hand as a high school social studies teacher. When the new report showed a jump of over 30% among my students in a two month period, instead of the 2-3% goal they told me about at the beginning of the school year I was chewed out by the principal, who told me that getting up in front of the class and teaching them like I was doing was "Not an effective teaching style, according to the latest studies," and that the focus should be on "student-led activities." I responded that the students needed a framework of knowledge on which to base such activities, and my students were not at that level yet. They couldn't fire me, since I was actually an effective teacher, but they then tried to sabotage me as a teacher by dropping all support of me in terms of student discipline, even going so far as to tacitly encourage my students to act out, since they undermined my classroom authority by sending students back to my classroom literally minutes after I sent them to the office for disrupting class. They even treated as a joke a student I ejected from the classroom for issuing death threats. Other students saw this and realized the administration didn't like me and would let them get away with almost anything, so long as it was in my class. The resulting increase in discipline problems, which was being fomented by the administration, then gave them an excuse to mandate I go to sessions with the assistant principal to make me a "more effective teacher" and these sessions were racist in nature, since I was told that I couldn't hold my minority students to the same standards, since they "didn't have the same mental capacity." I countered that that argument was racist, and I would continue to treat everyone the same. The administration responded by giving me more and more busywork, possibly hoping it would result in lower test scores for my students since I had less time to prepare my lessons.
I fought the good fight for several months, but eventually I left for another job.
I fought the good fight for several months, but eventually I left for another job.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
I graduate this spring and head off to grad school. I'll be just fine. I am far more worried about the younger students who are both getting their heads filled with nonsense and not learning everything to standard; both of these elements set them up for failure.
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SGT Christopher Combs
I don't see the point in teaching unnecessary things that, like you said will set them up for failure but either way most of them hopefully will figure it out when they do their job
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My experience is similar so I just shine all that much more. Sad, truly sad.
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Not meaning any offense to you by saying this. I’m an engineering student. If you wanted scholastics filled with attrition you should have gone into the math and sciences. Trust me, professors don’t give a fuck still, and they crush the souls of those that fall behind.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
Even the science kids will have electives. However, more to your point, this is unacceptable regardless of the discipline.
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At 18 I was in college with 3 jobs. I wanted to be a Marine Officer. I couldn’t afford to continue college. Way to expensive. I then joined the Marines as Enlisted. I had the best of mentors. The SNCO’s and Officers I reported directly with not only were teachers but gave me opportunities to make leadership decisions on my own way above my pay grade. After the GulfWar I used my GI bill for the computer industry in its prime. With only my high school and the outstanding skills learned in the Corps. I excelled very quick. Ever job I have ever held after the Marines required a Masters or better degree. I have a waiver from the top corporations college kids wish for. Att, Sony, Universal, HP, Disney. They all called me. I am not saying a degree is unnecessary. But it looks like everyone has one which degrades it’s worth. But a Marine that shows no challenge is to overwhelming with an answer before speaking wins the day. It’s funny. I still know I would have made a great Officer. My highest honor I have earned was the Blood Stripe’s. It’s also great to be an Executive at Disney but the Stripes our rank a title!
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I learned quit a bit from the college instructors with REAL world work experience, some of the ones teaching based on theory ( never been in work force) use piss me off as some of there comments were not based in reality
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