Posted on Jul 29, 2018
Sinking Standards And Indoctrination: A Veteran's View Of The College Experience
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When I graduated high school I immediately enlisted in the military. After months completing OSUT at Fort Knox, Kentucky, and a brief vacation home for HRAP, I was stationed at Fort Hood, Texas. Over the next few years, my education would come in the form of deployments, field training exercises, structured self-development courses, and professional development schools. I wanted something more though. I looked forward to a time where my career would be at such an optempo as to allow for me to complete my formal civilian education. That time never came. Instead, I found myself medically retired at the age of twenty-four. After a brief stint of wallowing in my own self-pity, I decided to get my life back on track and, ten years after graduating high school, I found myself front and center in a college classroom.
I had previously imagined how college would be. I was never a great student in high school; more often than not, I was a slacker who managed to skate by with good test scores. In my head, I thought that, at best, I would be roughly a B student if I put some real effort into my work. Due to the VA educational benefits that I had earned, I did not have to split my time between working some part time job to pay the bills and use my spare time to complete schoolwork. No, I could completely dedicate myself to my studies. I soon found that my vision of what college would be was nothing close to the reality of it.
I soon found that I was not expected to put in the kind of effort that I had set out to do. Surrounded by hordes of young kids, ranging in ages between 18 and 22 mostly, I was easily one of the oldest people in each classroom. Most of the students didn’t do the assigned readings, turned in homework late, and scored terribly on midterms and finals; did they know something I didn’t? Yes, they did. It would seem that the American education system had morphed from a place to broaden one’s formal education and promote critical thinking to a daycare of sorts where these teenagers and early-twenty-somethings could prolong their childhoods for a few more years while the teachers, in what can only be rationalized as an effort to keep their jobs “useful”, tossed passing grades on to transcripts. Eventually, without learning how to even properly format a paper, these students would graduate with Bachelor’s Degrees in their various disciplines. This is not at all an exaggeration, sadly.
Just recently, I completed a condensed three credit hour course during the summer 2018 semester. I didn’t have to study, I didn’t open up the books after the first week, and I spent most of the lecture time arguing with the professor. I ended up with a final grade of over 99%. How did this happen? Well, because the course was simple to begin with. I was always going to get a low ‘A’, but the reason that it was nearly a perfect grade was because the professor continually added extra points to exams and assignments in order to ensure that every student received a passing grade. If this sounds asinine to you, it should. The idiotic professor’s disgusting and intellectually dishonest practice allowed me to receive a 121% on an exam just so a few more undeserving idiots could pass. This is what the American education system has become.
Now, I have spoken before about a professor that I have become quite close to; in fact, if it were not for our professional, student-teacher relationship, I may go as far as to say we were friends. She has not yet been taken in by this system of inflating grades to ensure the survival of her position, but even she has voiced how the standards that students are being held to are abysmal at best. Reading comprehension is non-existent, the ability to write a coherent paper of over a page and a half is rare, and it would seem that grades are seen, by students, as not earned by virtue of hard-work and demonstrated understanding but rather they are bought and paid for via their tuition. This may be a symptom of the rampant entitlement that seems to be almost ubiquitous amongst this up and coming generation. Sadly, I belong to this generation.
At the very same time that students are being shuffled through their university education, many professors take the opportunity to vomit their vile personal beliefs from the lectern. In the army we always joked about fighting communists as if it were a thing of the distant past, but it would seem alive and well. I never imagined having to defend the American way of life in a classroom and yet, time after time, I find myself defending the constitution, capitalism, and the rule of law from whole groups who believe that the founding fathers had it all wrong. If the fact that students were getting unearned diplomas was not enough to anger me, listening to students and professors preach the many blessings of communism surely did the trick.
After two more semesters I will graduate with my BA in English; I am on track to graduate with honors. I will be throwing my application for admission to a short list of institutions and I have no doubt that I will be allowed to attend one of them. I can only hope that graduate school will not be tainted with the same practices as undergrad.
If attending college has taught me one thing so far, it is that traditional, four year degrees should not be sought by everyone. In fact, I have become a firm believer in the value of technical schools and trades. Were it possible to go into my field, teaching, without a liberal arts degree, I would. What has become apparent is that the often spoken lie that one cannot be a success without a college degree has been espoused so many times that we all seem to believe it and that is sad. I have an entire group of very close friends who have never attended college, some of them dropped out of high school, and they are all on their way to making far more money in their careers than I can ever hope to make as a college English professor. Perhaps we would be better off if students understood the value of some of these careers or at least understood the necessity of hard work.
I had previously imagined how college would be. I was never a great student in high school; more often than not, I was a slacker who managed to skate by with good test scores. In my head, I thought that, at best, I would be roughly a B student if I put some real effort into my work. Due to the VA educational benefits that I had earned, I did not have to split my time between working some part time job to pay the bills and use my spare time to complete schoolwork. No, I could completely dedicate myself to my studies. I soon found that my vision of what college would be was nothing close to the reality of it.
I soon found that I was not expected to put in the kind of effort that I had set out to do. Surrounded by hordes of young kids, ranging in ages between 18 and 22 mostly, I was easily one of the oldest people in each classroom. Most of the students didn’t do the assigned readings, turned in homework late, and scored terribly on midterms and finals; did they know something I didn’t? Yes, they did. It would seem that the American education system had morphed from a place to broaden one’s formal education and promote critical thinking to a daycare of sorts where these teenagers and early-twenty-somethings could prolong their childhoods for a few more years while the teachers, in what can only be rationalized as an effort to keep their jobs “useful”, tossed passing grades on to transcripts. Eventually, without learning how to even properly format a paper, these students would graduate with Bachelor’s Degrees in their various disciplines. This is not at all an exaggeration, sadly.
Just recently, I completed a condensed three credit hour course during the summer 2018 semester. I didn’t have to study, I didn’t open up the books after the first week, and I spent most of the lecture time arguing with the professor. I ended up with a final grade of over 99%. How did this happen? Well, because the course was simple to begin with. I was always going to get a low ‘A’, but the reason that it was nearly a perfect grade was because the professor continually added extra points to exams and assignments in order to ensure that every student received a passing grade. If this sounds asinine to you, it should. The idiotic professor’s disgusting and intellectually dishonest practice allowed me to receive a 121% on an exam just so a few more undeserving idiots could pass. This is what the American education system has become.
Now, I have spoken before about a professor that I have become quite close to; in fact, if it were not for our professional, student-teacher relationship, I may go as far as to say we were friends. She has not yet been taken in by this system of inflating grades to ensure the survival of her position, but even she has voiced how the standards that students are being held to are abysmal at best. Reading comprehension is non-existent, the ability to write a coherent paper of over a page and a half is rare, and it would seem that grades are seen, by students, as not earned by virtue of hard-work and demonstrated understanding but rather they are bought and paid for via their tuition. This may be a symptom of the rampant entitlement that seems to be almost ubiquitous amongst this up and coming generation. Sadly, I belong to this generation.
At the very same time that students are being shuffled through their university education, many professors take the opportunity to vomit their vile personal beliefs from the lectern. In the army we always joked about fighting communists as if it were a thing of the distant past, but it would seem alive and well. I never imagined having to defend the American way of life in a classroom and yet, time after time, I find myself defending the constitution, capitalism, and the rule of law from whole groups who believe that the founding fathers had it all wrong. If the fact that students were getting unearned diplomas was not enough to anger me, listening to students and professors preach the many blessings of communism surely did the trick.
After two more semesters I will graduate with my BA in English; I am on track to graduate with honors. I will be throwing my application for admission to a short list of institutions and I have no doubt that I will be allowed to attend one of them. I can only hope that graduate school will not be tainted with the same practices as undergrad.
If attending college has taught me one thing so far, it is that traditional, four year degrees should not be sought by everyone. In fact, I have become a firm believer in the value of technical schools and trades. Were it possible to go into my field, teaching, without a liberal arts degree, I would. What has become apparent is that the often spoken lie that one cannot be a success without a college degree has been espoused so many times that we all seem to believe it and that is sad. I have an entire group of very close friends who have never attended college, some of them dropped out of high school, and they are all on their way to making far more money in their careers than I can ever hope to make as a college English professor. Perhaps we would be better off if students understood the value of some of these careers or at least understood the necessity of hard work.
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I have often thought that I would have made so much more, gotten so much more, out of my college education had I served first. I was a very immature 17-year old when I entered college and frittered my time away, passing well enough on a minimum of effort. How much better might I have done if I had served first and matured. Well, to be fair, if I had served first, I most likely would never have earned rank and most likely would have been in trouble most of the time. Then, going to college later, had I matured, would have been in trouble in school among a bunch of immature 17-18 year olds as immature as I was at that age.
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PO2 Tim Hawks
CPT Robert Boshears - I knew a lot of guys I served with that had that same problem....lol
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SFC John Stroud
I had a chance to start at the Citadel in S.C. and the hazing at the time taught me one thing, I didn't think I was officer correct. I started in August of 1973 with graduation in 1977. However my standard was not going to be met at the Citadel. There is a lot more to the story but that does not need to be told. A couple of years later I joined the SCARNG and became a medic. In 1976 I went active Army, then 91 C (LPN) and 14 years active until physical issue that separated me from the Army before Gulf War One. However, during service and shortly after in 1992 I graduated with a Associate in Management and a B.S. in Business. In 1973 I was not into education. However, in 1992 I finished my degrees with a total of 9 Colleges, Army LPN School, and 20 years after High School graduation. My father never thought I would graduate, I did and he saw it right before he died in 1993. My father was a WW2 Army Veteran and a 30 year SCARNG career retiring as a LTC. He started as a private, hit all NCO grades and all Officer grades to LTC. Colonel. I started as a Private and reached the rank of SFC (E7). I almost got it, but at least I graduated College before my Dad died. RIP Dad.
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I graduated from high school a 17 and had to go to a 4-year college... I went to Stonehill College for just shy of two semesters. I hate it! Why, you ask. I always liked technology when I was growing up... My father just wanted me to get a 4-Yr degree... I wanted to go to Wentworth Institute in Boston for an Associate Degree so I could see if that was what I wanted to pursue... My Dad wouldn't have it... So, I quit Stonehill College and within a month of quitting, I took tests for the 4 military branches I was interested in... The Air Force offered the best schooling opportunity. I announced what I wanted to do at dinner one night and said right then that my mind was made up and that my parents could either sign for me then or I was gone when I turned 18. Off I went to AF boot camp in San Antonio, TX... I graduated Tech school and was assigned to Otis AFB, MA as an Airborne Navigation Systems Tech and the rest is history... I went on to Northeastern University Nights after my enlistment was finished and completed an Associate Degree in Electronic Engineering Technology and then a bachelor’s degree in industrial technology. By then I had five children and the thoughts of more school was halted. I have had a great Professional career. I am 76 now and retired... Volunteer with the VA and am Commander of DAV Chapter #90, Norwood, MA.
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This is true to some extent. I worked a 22 hr/ week job and had 16 semester hours of classes. Even with my energy being so diffused, I only needed to put forth real effort in a handful of my classes (calculus, structural geology, sedimentology, petrology). The majority of my classes especially the general education classes were a cakewalk. Only in the science and math classes were there any challenges. The worst part is that many of the general education classes were just indoctrination. I was expected to express an opinion that was in line with the professor's view point. If I varied even slightly, I was openly mocked in class by my professors. Thus, I gave them the answers to questions of politics that they wanted to hear. This did even infect some of the science classes. In particular my water resources class. The professor point blank ask me if I voted for Trump, when she found out I was former military. I told her, "Not that it's any of your business, but no, I voted Libertarian. " She would regularly say that humanity was too large and espoused the myth about the population bomb. Even when I mentioned that the book she was referencing was written in the 70s and stated that the carrying capacity was 6 billion and the current population is nearly 8 billion with no global famine, she smugly continued to go on her rant. That's the real problem with higher education. We have an echo chamber forming. These people locked in their ivory towers no longer even consider that their ideas should be challenged.
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Yeah, I had an anthropology professor who started ranting about the "1%" and made the "point" that the 1% were Wall Street billionaires. I then pointed out that if you took all the billionaires, or even millionaires, in the world it would amount to far less than 1% of the world population, and that anyone in the middle class in the U.S. was part of the global 1%. She asked me what study that was based on. I told her: "Simple math. If there are 7.5 billion people on the planet, one percent of that is 75 million people."
I then referred her to a study that showed that almost 50 million of the top 75 million incomes in the world are in the United States, including anyone making 30,000 dollars a year or more. I then concluded by saying "Most everyone in this room is part of the 1% on the global level, and those who aren't are still in the top 5% unless they're living on the street."
The professor just gave me a blank look and said. "No, the top 1% are all billionaires." I replied: "Even though there are less than 500 billionaires on the planet, and 1% of the population equals 75 million people?" She asks me: "What's your source for there being less than 500 billionaires?" I tell her that on the Forbes 500, not everyone is quite at the billionaire level, having net worth in the hundreds of millions instead. She frowned, repeated her assertion that the top 1% were all billionaires (as though repeating it would somehow make it true), and then continued the "lecture" quickly, obviously wanting to avoid any more pesky facts.
I then referred her to a study that showed that almost 50 million of the top 75 million incomes in the world are in the United States, including anyone making 30,000 dollars a year or more. I then concluded by saying "Most everyone in this room is part of the 1% on the global level, and those who aren't are still in the top 5% unless they're living on the street."
The professor just gave me a blank look and said. "No, the top 1% are all billionaires." I replied: "Even though there are less than 500 billionaires on the planet, and 1% of the population equals 75 million people?" She asks me: "What's your source for there being less than 500 billionaires?" I tell her that on the Forbes 500, not everyone is quite at the billionaire level, having net worth in the hundreds of millions instead. She frowned, repeated her assertion that the top 1% were all billionaires (as though repeating it would somehow make it true), and then continued the "lecture" quickly, obviously wanting to avoid any more pesky facts.
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SGT Tony Clifford
PO3 Craig Phillips you realize that I have a B.S. in Geology, not liberal arts, right? I agree that those degrees have little utility and cost way too much for what they give you.
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SPC Chris Ison
The only time i was "mocked" and it was not even mocking was in my senior year. We had a management seminar where we were to create a business plan for a fictional business. Create a marketing plan, financing, etc.
This was in 2000, and the internet was just becoming a part of our every day life. I suggest an internet cafe, for gaming. The group went with it, and when it came time to set pricing and establish a finance model, the question of "how much do you charge for internet" came up. My opinion was nothing, you give it away for free, it is the hook that brings in the customer. I based this off the idea that the first, and best taste of an illicit drug is given away free to get the customer hooked, then when they are regular customer you give them shit drugs and keep them on the line for more.
we argued, and everyone got pissy. I was given a "C" for the class because my group did not like me, and thought i was a "commie."
Tell me now though, where do you pay for internet besides your home?
Part of being a good student is being willing to challenge your professor, and everyone of you who said you had to tow the line, i think missed an opportunity to be a challenge to yourself but voicing your own opinion. Seems like a lack of moral courage.
Plato said the best student is the student that disagrees with you, and is willing to challenge you.
This was in 2000, and the internet was just becoming a part of our every day life. I suggest an internet cafe, for gaming. The group went with it, and when it came time to set pricing and establish a finance model, the question of "how much do you charge for internet" came up. My opinion was nothing, you give it away for free, it is the hook that brings in the customer. I based this off the idea that the first, and best taste of an illicit drug is given away free to get the customer hooked, then when they are regular customer you give them shit drugs and keep them on the line for more.
we argued, and everyone got pissy. I was given a "C" for the class because my group did not like me, and thought i was a "commie."
Tell me now though, where do you pay for internet besides your home?
Part of being a good student is being willing to challenge your professor, and everyone of you who said you had to tow the line, i think missed an opportunity to be a challenge to yourself but voicing your own opinion. Seems like a lack of moral courage.
Plato said the best student is the student that disagrees with you, and is willing to challenge you.
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I think it depends on the school (at least I hope so). The Virginia public universities are not yet giving away grades if my friends and neighbor's students are any indication. However, there are definitely some that are. As for Grad school, it depends on where you go and what your major is. Education seems to be a rubber stamp. Those degrees that require a state level exam, are not, because there is some accountability.
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SSgt Boyd Herrst
SPC Chris Ison my $$$ didn’t come from a Pel Grant but from the VA, SPC. Not some rich ol lady’s bootywear drawer.. part Of compensation to assist with training.. so don’t get your boxers /briefs in a bind. .SPC.
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SPC Chris Ison
SSgt Boyd Herrst - Sounds like you have some serious issues.
"I want to be challenged"? Nope you don't you want everyone to agree with you, and to label people you don't like as less than.
I can tell what kind of crap NCO you are/were by the fact you had to refer to my rank TWICE.
See, now i guess i can make a few assumptions.
I can assume because you were in the air force the reason you never made E-7, is because promotions in the air force come slower.
I can also assume that since you are getting money form the VA that you were medically retired BEFORE you got your 20.
Or i can be like you and just assume the reason you never made E-7, is because you area shit bird.
Based on your comments i am going with shit bird.
"I want to be challenged"? Nope you don't you want everyone to agree with you, and to label people you don't like as less than.
I can tell what kind of crap NCO you are/were by the fact you had to refer to my rank TWICE.
See, now i guess i can make a few assumptions.
I can assume because you were in the air force the reason you never made E-7, is because promotions in the air force come slower.
I can also assume that since you are getting money form the VA that you were medically retired BEFORE you got your 20.
Or i can be like you and just assume the reason you never made E-7, is because you area shit bird.
Based on your comments i am going with shit bird.
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SSgt Boyd Herrst
SPC Chris Ison my time as back in late 70’s and the $$ then is not like now at where put it. Mine was a 1/3 of that . at least I had 1/2 my base pay to match that VA. and being at my gal’s apt a 1/4 mile from school.
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SPC Chris Ison
Okay so let me do some fucking math for you:
according to DFAS an E-4 in 1978, made 504.90 if they were under 2 years of service, and 533.10, over 2. 504.90 * 12 = 6.058.80 a year.
172.50 for BAQ and 62.80 for separate rations. This of course does not include VHA.
Federal minimum wage was 2.65 cents an hour.
Just so you understand the math there are 14 federal holidays a year, there are 40 standard work hours a year, 52 weeks a year (50 as their are 2 weeks of holiday), so 40, 50 = 2000 work hours in a standard year. so, a minimum wage worker made 2650 dollars a year, less than half of an E-4 UNDER 2 years. And they do not pay rent, utilities, or have to buy food; and if they are put in a position to have to do that by getting married or having a kid (as geographic bachelors were a thing back then) the got paid an additional 234 dollars a month, or 2808, more than the actual minimum wage worker makes in a year!. SO an E-4 with less than 2 years (not that there was such a thing back then) made a total of 8866.80 a year or the equivalent of 4.43 an hour, almost twice the minimum wage.
the average home cost in 1978 was 62,000 dollars. you figure 20% down that is 12 grand so your financing 50k over 30 years at 9%. That is a payment of 400 dollars a month in June of 1978.
Not easy for an E-4 under 2, but a SSG made 761.40 at 8 years, and had 213.30 for BAQ, and No VHA, so yeah for a SSG at 8 years it was TOTALLY DOABLE without losing any base pay.
You really do not want to argue finances with a business major.
I know how money works.
according to DFAS an E-4 in 1978, made 504.90 if they were under 2 years of service, and 533.10, over 2. 504.90 * 12 = 6.058.80 a year.
172.50 for BAQ and 62.80 for separate rations. This of course does not include VHA.
Federal minimum wage was 2.65 cents an hour.
Just so you understand the math there are 14 federal holidays a year, there are 40 standard work hours a year, 52 weeks a year (50 as their are 2 weeks of holiday), so 40, 50 = 2000 work hours in a standard year. so, a minimum wage worker made 2650 dollars a year, less than half of an E-4 UNDER 2 years. And they do not pay rent, utilities, or have to buy food; and if they are put in a position to have to do that by getting married or having a kid (as geographic bachelors were a thing back then) the got paid an additional 234 dollars a month, or 2808, more than the actual minimum wage worker makes in a year!. SO an E-4 with less than 2 years (not that there was such a thing back then) made a total of 8866.80 a year or the equivalent of 4.43 an hour, almost twice the minimum wage.
the average home cost in 1978 was 62,000 dollars. you figure 20% down that is 12 grand so your financing 50k over 30 years at 9%. That is a payment of 400 dollars a month in June of 1978.
Not easy for an E-4 under 2, but a SSG made 761.40 at 8 years, and had 213.30 for BAQ, and No VHA, so yeah for a SSG at 8 years it was TOTALLY DOABLE without losing any base pay.
You really do not want to argue finances with a business major.
I know how money works.
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