Posted on Jul 29, 2018
Sinking Standards And Indoctrination: A Veteran's View Of The College Experience
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When I graduated high school I immediately enlisted in the military. After months completing OSUT at Fort Knox, Kentucky, and a brief vacation home for HRAP, I was stationed at Fort Hood, Texas. Over the next few years, my education would come in the form of deployments, field training exercises, structured self-development courses, and professional development schools. I wanted something more though. I looked forward to a time where my career would be at such an optempo as to allow for me to complete my formal civilian education. That time never came. Instead, I found myself medically retired at the age of twenty-four. After a brief stint of wallowing in my own self-pity, I decided to get my life back on track and, ten years after graduating high school, I found myself front and center in a college classroom.
I had previously imagined how college would be. I was never a great student in high school; more often than not, I was a slacker who managed to skate by with good test scores. In my head, I thought that, at best, I would be roughly a B student if I put some real effort into my work. Due to the VA educational benefits that I had earned, I did not have to split my time between working some part time job to pay the bills and use my spare time to complete schoolwork. No, I could completely dedicate myself to my studies. I soon found that my vision of what college would be was nothing close to the reality of it.
I soon found that I was not expected to put in the kind of effort that I had set out to do. Surrounded by hordes of young kids, ranging in ages between 18 and 22 mostly, I was easily one of the oldest people in each classroom. Most of the students didn’t do the assigned readings, turned in homework late, and scored terribly on midterms and finals; did they know something I didn’t? Yes, they did. It would seem that the American education system had morphed from a place to broaden one’s formal education and promote critical thinking to a daycare of sorts where these teenagers and early-twenty-somethings could prolong their childhoods for a few more years while the teachers, in what can only be rationalized as an effort to keep their jobs “useful”, tossed passing grades on to transcripts. Eventually, without learning how to even properly format a paper, these students would graduate with Bachelor’s Degrees in their various disciplines. This is not at all an exaggeration, sadly.
Just recently, I completed a condensed three credit hour course during the summer 2018 semester. I didn’t have to study, I didn’t open up the books after the first week, and I spent most of the lecture time arguing with the professor. I ended up with a final grade of over 99%. How did this happen? Well, because the course was simple to begin with. I was always going to get a low ‘A’, but the reason that it was nearly a perfect grade was because the professor continually added extra points to exams and assignments in order to ensure that every student received a passing grade. If this sounds asinine to you, it should. The idiotic professor’s disgusting and intellectually dishonest practice allowed me to receive a 121% on an exam just so a few more undeserving idiots could pass. This is what the American education system has become.
Now, I have spoken before about a professor that I have become quite close to; in fact, if it were not for our professional, student-teacher relationship, I may go as far as to say we were friends. She has not yet been taken in by this system of inflating grades to ensure the survival of her position, but even she has voiced how the standards that students are being held to are abysmal at best. Reading comprehension is non-existent, the ability to write a coherent paper of over a page and a half is rare, and it would seem that grades are seen, by students, as not earned by virtue of hard-work and demonstrated understanding but rather they are bought and paid for via their tuition. This may be a symptom of the rampant entitlement that seems to be almost ubiquitous amongst this up and coming generation. Sadly, I belong to this generation.
At the very same time that students are being shuffled through their university education, many professors take the opportunity to vomit their vile personal beliefs from the lectern. In the army we always joked about fighting communists as if it were a thing of the distant past, but it would seem alive and well. I never imagined having to defend the American way of life in a classroom and yet, time after time, I find myself defending the constitution, capitalism, and the rule of law from whole groups who believe that the founding fathers had it all wrong. If the fact that students were getting unearned diplomas was not enough to anger me, listening to students and professors preach the many blessings of communism surely did the trick.
After two more semesters I will graduate with my BA in English; I am on track to graduate with honors. I will be throwing my application for admission to a short list of institutions and I have no doubt that I will be allowed to attend one of them. I can only hope that graduate school will not be tainted with the same practices as undergrad.
If attending college has taught me one thing so far, it is that traditional, four year degrees should not be sought by everyone. In fact, I have become a firm believer in the value of technical schools and trades. Were it possible to go into my field, teaching, without a liberal arts degree, I would. What has become apparent is that the often spoken lie that one cannot be a success without a college degree has been espoused so many times that we all seem to believe it and that is sad. I have an entire group of very close friends who have never attended college, some of them dropped out of high school, and they are all on their way to making far more money in their careers than I can ever hope to make as a college English professor. Perhaps we would be better off if students understood the value of some of these careers or at least understood the necessity of hard work.
I had previously imagined how college would be. I was never a great student in high school; more often than not, I was a slacker who managed to skate by with good test scores. In my head, I thought that, at best, I would be roughly a B student if I put some real effort into my work. Due to the VA educational benefits that I had earned, I did not have to split my time between working some part time job to pay the bills and use my spare time to complete schoolwork. No, I could completely dedicate myself to my studies. I soon found that my vision of what college would be was nothing close to the reality of it.
I soon found that I was not expected to put in the kind of effort that I had set out to do. Surrounded by hordes of young kids, ranging in ages between 18 and 22 mostly, I was easily one of the oldest people in each classroom. Most of the students didn’t do the assigned readings, turned in homework late, and scored terribly on midterms and finals; did they know something I didn’t? Yes, they did. It would seem that the American education system had morphed from a place to broaden one’s formal education and promote critical thinking to a daycare of sorts where these teenagers and early-twenty-somethings could prolong their childhoods for a few more years while the teachers, in what can only be rationalized as an effort to keep their jobs “useful”, tossed passing grades on to transcripts. Eventually, without learning how to even properly format a paper, these students would graduate with Bachelor’s Degrees in their various disciplines. This is not at all an exaggeration, sadly.
Just recently, I completed a condensed three credit hour course during the summer 2018 semester. I didn’t have to study, I didn’t open up the books after the first week, and I spent most of the lecture time arguing with the professor. I ended up with a final grade of over 99%. How did this happen? Well, because the course was simple to begin with. I was always going to get a low ‘A’, but the reason that it was nearly a perfect grade was because the professor continually added extra points to exams and assignments in order to ensure that every student received a passing grade. If this sounds asinine to you, it should. The idiotic professor’s disgusting and intellectually dishonest practice allowed me to receive a 121% on an exam just so a few more undeserving idiots could pass. This is what the American education system has become.
Now, I have spoken before about a professor that I have become quite close to; in fact, if it were not for our professional, student-teacher relationship, I may go as far as to say we were friends. She has not yet been taken in by this system of inflating grades to ensure the survival of her position, but even she has voiced how the standards that students are being held to are abysmal at best. Reading comprehension is non-existent, the ability to write a coherent paper of over a page and a half is rare, and it would seem that grades are seen, by students, as not earned by virtue of hard-work and demonstrated understanding but rather they are bought and paid for via their tuition. This may be a symptom of the rampant entitlement that seems to be almost ubiquitous amongst this up and coming generation. Sadly, I belong to this generation.
At the very same time that students are being shuffled through their university education, many professors take the opportunity to vomit their vile personal beliefs from the lectern. In the army we always joked about fighting communists as if it were a thing of the distant past, but it would seem alive and well. I never imagined having to defend the American way of life in a classroom and yet, time after time, I find myself defending the constitution, capitalism, and the rule of law from whole groups who believe that the founding fathers had it all wrong. If the fact that students were getting unearned diplomas was not enough to anger me, listening to students and professors preach the many blessings of communism surely did the trick.
After two more semesters I will graduate with my BA in English; I am on track to graduate with honors. I will be throwing my application for admission to a short list of institutions and I have no doubt that I will be allowed to attend one of them. I can only hope that graduate school will not be tainted with the same practices as undergrad.
If attending college has taught me one thing so far, it is that traditional, four year degrees should not be sought by everyone. In fact, I have become a firm believer in the value of technical schools and trades. Were it possible to go into my field, teaching, without a liberal arts degree, I would. What has become apparent is that the often spoken lie that one cannot be a success without a college degree has been espoused so many times that we all seem to believe it and that is sad. I have an entire group of very close friends who have never attended college, some of them dropped out of high school, and they are all on their way to making far more money in their careers than I can ever hope to make as a college English professor. Perhaps we would be better off if students understood the value of some of these careers or at least understood the necessity of hard work.
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I quit high school and joined the army when was 17. Too many gays. Drugs everywhere. Vietnam was going on. Had to get out of California.
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I, as a Vet began college with no knowledge of the rules of the game. I read the catalogue and found that one college unit was earned by 15 weeks of one hour of lecture per week and 2 hours of homework for each hour of lecture. I learned that college was a simple addition problem with 125 units being the goal. The only political problem I remember was in a lower-division class about political "science." I got a B and moved on. The school worked for me and I are now a PhD
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I have a friend that teaches community college and so-called advanced placement courses for High School dual credit courses. He cannot get in trouble for passing students that do not read the Curriculum, do not turn in assignments or do not pass tests. He does get in trouble for failing to many (any) of these high achiever High School students that think they do not have to do the work. In fact he will get in trouble for passing them with D's and C's.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
See, that's an issue regardless of the discipline you are studying. Just think about these idiots designing and building the bridges that we drive across. That's a scary thought.
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On the news last week in the finance portion of the news was noted that employers are starting to realize that a degree isnt needed for all jobs.
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Hit the nail on the head. Great post!!!
I noted recently that a significant % of crime in the USA is committed by those with IQ of 85 or less.
I stumbled on your post less than 30 seconds after doing some research on a man named Saul Alinsky.
He wrote the book Rules for Radicals.
This book is the 'Organizational and Theological Bible' for many of the Politicians of the far left. 2 of our recent Presidents were ideological students of SA. Even before I joined the Army I was reading Sun Tzu,Patton,Clauswitz,etc by age 16.
Look at the Tactics espoused by Saul Alinsky. Remember the definition of Maskirovka as practiced by the former Soviet Union. Now with those in mind.....compare politicians actions/words against those definitions.
Also remember that each of the major media outlets are owned by those with ideological axes to grind.
The left has been accused of infiltrating educatiomal institures for decades now, with the specfic intent to take down the USA from within.
' Control the education of your peasants and they are much easier to control ' has been a realistic and effective popular meme throughout history as we know it.
All this stuff is connected. China plans its govt decades/centuries nto the future. While we are on a short cycle.
Just food for thought.
I noted recently that a significant % of crime in the USA is committed by those with IQ of 85 or less.
I stumbled on your post less than 30 seconds after doing some research on a man named Saul Alinsky.
He wrote the book Rules for Radicals.
This book is the 'Organizational and Theological Bible' for many of the Politicians of the far left. 2 of our recent Presidents were ideological students of SA. Even before I joined the Army I was reading Sun Tzu,Patton,Clauswitz,etc by age 16.
Look at the Tactics espoused by Saul Alinsky. Remember the definition of Maskirovka as practiced by the former Soviet Union. Now with those in mind.....compare politicians actions/words against those definitions.
Also remember that each of the major media outlets are owned by those with ideological axes to grind.
The left has been accused of infiltrating educatiomal institures for decades now, with the specfic intent to take down the USA from within.
' Control the education of your peasants and they are much easier to control ' has been a realistic and effective popular meme throughout history as we know it.
All this stuff is connected. China plans its govt decades/centuries nto the future. While we are on a short cycle.
Just food for thought.
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SGT Mary G.
Yes. It is a far sighted comprehensive game plan. Thing is the strategy is openly presented, not hidden . . . which means that we have fair warning, but few take it seriously enough. The tactics seem to be the stumbling block which may be why military folks don't stumble on them as much, given military standards.
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Such good insight shared, but painfully true of the academic circles in most cases. I take comfort in your comments and your strength in standing up for the American way, for sometimes I feel alone crying out for our Nation. Currahee.
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Alright, this is a highly anecdotal response, and simple one man's opinion compared to your own. YMMV, and all that.
First, you are very correct, the traditional 4 year degree may not be for everyone, it really depends on your career field, what you want to do in life. If you want to do something that requires technical skills, technical schools are definitely the way to go. And you can make good money in those fields... HVAC, for example, is in such high demand right now that experienced technicians can potentially clear 6 six figures a year. It'd involve longer hours than your 9-5 office job, but it can be done in a "blue collar" field.
Higher education, you get out of it what you put into it. And it starts with school selection. I have a Bachelor's Degree (plan to go for a Doctorate at some point) from Eastern Michigan University. Sure, I could have taken my Chapter 33 to University of Michigan, a very prestigious state university, and gotten my 4 year degree in some Computer Information Management program. But I took the time to research. I wound up at EMU which, while not quite as prestigious as "the U", had the exact program I wanted: Information Assurance. A program that, by the by, held certification from the NSA. So while the university may not have been the most prestigious that I could have gone to, the program itself was top notch.
My experience is school was similar. A lot of young kids, at least in the GenEd courses. There were plenty of older students, though, and better still, a strong presence of fellow veteran students. I had plenty of people that I could relate with. However, I still engaged with the younger kids in classes, to various degrees. I often took leadership positions in group projects, typically without the role ever being defined... it just worked out like that. I kept groups on point, and if one member wasn't pulling weight, fine... I handled it myself. Because I wasn't letting our group suffer because one person was lazy. Did they benefit? Sure. But I was alright with that. It was impacting their own learning experience, not mine. However, that was the outlier condition. Most of the time, especially in my program's courses, everyone pulled their weight and then some.
Because I knew most of the concepts taught by the program (as it fell in line with my AFSC), I was often already an SME in most of my program classes. Digital and Network Forensics? I wrote the book on Computer Investigations for my Peterson AFB IA office. Policies and Procedures? I was writing (and signing) policy letters, from scratch, as Base Computer Security Manager. System Administration classes? I did that for 9 years. Networking? Worked many times with Tech Control troubleshooting the network, where our systems were concerned. I had experience in spades, and I never hesitated to impart that wisdom to my fellow classmates, especially those who were struggling with certain concepts. And I not only helped them, but reinforced my own knowledge and gained skill as a trainer and mentor.
My class selection was also important. Even in GenEd. I didn't go for the easiest classes. I went for classes that either interested me personally, or would challenge me as a person. For example, I took Astronomy. Right off the bat. I love science, I love space. Astronomy gave me a great starting point for my college life, as I was able to learn about something I love and have great interest in. I also took Interpersonal Communications because, frankly, I have a hard time communicating with people (I am not, by any stretch of the imagination, a people person). That allowed me to develop skills in dynamic communication. The theory portion of the class was a breeze, but the practical application portion stretched me. And that's just a couple examples.
In most cases, I engaged with my professors regularly. I was quick to offer opinions and insights, get into debates, and generally lead interactive discussions in class. Not so much that no one else could get a word in edgewise, and I would often wait a period of time before reengaging to give others a chance to speak up. But especially in classes with kids fresh out of high school, they were used to being taught at. They would be timid to speak up, until someone else did. After that, after they knew the dynamic of school had changed, they were less afraid to engage the professor, as well. This would lead to more discussions, more ideas shared, more learning. There was almost never a sense of intimidation or lack of respect on any part, and the one time a professor exhibited that type of behavior, she was reported and removed from the course by the college. Mostly, the learning experience was exemplified in every course, and some professors even thanked me stepping up to lead discussions. Including those professors that had diametrically opposing views of just about every topic.
So yes. In general, I had a great experience with college. I chose my college carefully, I got into a program that furthered my professional life, and I selected classes for learning, not for grade. Sure, you can go to any college and get your degree in Underwater Basket Weaving. If you just want the degree, the piece of paper, you've got it. And that's the culture that's been pushed, where the degree is all important. But that's not what college is for. If there's an indoctrination going on at ultra-liberal colleges... I'm telling you right now that, at least from my own experience, there's colleges and programs out there where learning is the main objective. Find them. Do your due diligence and find the college that matches best with your objectives in professional life.
First, you are very correct, the traditional 4 year degree may not be for everyone, it really depends on your career field, what you want to do in life. If you want to do something that requires technical skills, technical schools are definitely the way to go. And you can make good money in those fields... HVAC, for example, is in such high demand right now that experienced technicians can potentially clear 6 six figures a year. It'd involve longer hours than your 9-5 office job, but it can be done in a "blue collar" field.
Higher education, you get out of it what you put into it. And it starts with school selection. I have a Bachelor's Degree (plan to go for a Doctorate at some point) from Eastern Michigan University. Sure, I could have taken my Chapter 33 to University of Michigan, a very prestigious state university, and gotten my 4 year degree in some Computer Information Management program. But I took the time to research. I wound up at EMU which, while not quite as prestigious as "the U", had the exact program I wanted: Information Assurance. A program that, by the by, held certification from the NSA. So while the university may not have been the most prestigious that I could have gone to, the program itself was top notch.
My experience is school was similar. A lot of young kids, at least in the GenEd courses. There were plenty of older students, though, and better still, a strong presence of fellow veteran students. I had plenty of people that I could relate with. However, I still engaged with the younger kids in classes, to various degrees. I often took leadership positions in group projects, typically without the role ever being defined... it just worked out like that. I kept groups on point, and if one member wasn't pulling weight, fine... I handled it myself. Because I wasn't letting our group suffer because one person was lazy. Did they benefit? Sure. But I was alright with that. It was impacting their own learning experience, not mine. However, that was the outlier condition. Most of the time, especially in my program's courses, everyone pulled their weight and then some.
Because I knew most of the concepts taught by the program (as it fell in line with my AFSC), I was often already an SME in most of my program classes. Digital and Network Forensics? I wrote the book on Computer Investigations for my Peterson AFB IA office. Policies and Procedures? I was writing (and signing) policy letters, from scratch, as Base Computer Security Manager. System Administration classes? I did that for 9 years. Networking? Worked many times with Tech Control troubleshooting the network, where our systems were concerned. I had experience in spades, and I never hesitated to impart that wisdom to my fellow classmates, especially those who were struggling with certain concepts. And I not only helped them, but reinforced my own knowledge and gained skill as a trainer and mentor.
My class selection was also important. Even in GenEd. I didn't go for the easiest classes. I went for classes that either interested me personally, or would challenge me as a person. For example, I took Astronomy. Right off the bat. I love science, I love space. Astronomy gave me a great starting point for my college life, as I was able to learn about something I love and have great interest in. I also took Interpersonal Communications because, frankly, I have a hard time communicating with people (I am not, by any stretch of the imagination, a people person). That allowed me to develop skills in dynamic communication. The theory portion of the class was a breeze, but the practical application portion stretched me. And that's just a couple examples.
In most cases, I engaged with my professors regularly. I was quick to offer opinions and insights, get into debates, and generally lead interactive discussions in class. Not so much that no one else could get a word in edgewise, and I would often wait a period of time before reengaging to give others a chance to speak up. But especially in classes with kids fresh out of high school, they were used to being taught at. They would be timid to speak up, until someone else did. After that, after they knew the dynamic of school had changed, they were less afraid to engage the professor, as well. This would lead to more discussions, more ideas shared, more learning. There was almost never a sense of intimidation or lack of respect on any part, and the one time a professor exhibited that type of behavior, she was reported and removed from the course by the college. Mostly, the learning experience was exemplified in every course, and some professors even thanked me stepping up to lead discussions. Including those professors that had diametrically opposing views of just about every topic.
So yes. In general, I had a great experience with college. I chose my college carefully, I got into a program that furthered my professional life, and I selected classes for learning, not for grade. Sure, you can go to any college and get your degree in Underwater Basket Weaving. If you just want the degree, the piece of paper, you've got it. And that's the culture that's been pushed, where the degree is all important. But that's not what college is for. If there's an indoctrination going on at ultra-liberal colleges... I'm telling you right now that, at least from my own experience, there's colleges and programs out there where learning is the main objective. Find them. Do your due diligence and find the college that matches best with your objectives in professional life.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
I like the very in depth response. Thank you for your input. I do plan to do far more research into the school that I'll be attending for my graduate degree. Hopefully - fingers crossed - I will find one that not only meets my program requirements and educational goals but that lacks the political overtones that I have experienced so far.
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The cartoon “Doonsberry” chronicled this situation with a fictitious university (Walden, I believe).
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Well, my education was in English as well. My classes were pretty tough though, and I wasnt cut any slack.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
Congrats. I'll have finished a BA (with honors) and an MA (4.0 GPA) in three years without breaking a sweat.
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