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Posted on Jun 14, 2021
SSG Alleria Stanley
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LTC David Brown
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I am going to call a little BS on this. My brother and some of my friends were constantly passed over for promotions and advancement so women and minorities could advance.. When I was at Madigan the Chief Nurse was slated to be promoted to Chief of The Army Nurse Corps. The Madigan Medical Center got passed over so the Army Nurse Corp could have its first Black General.
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MAJ David Stokes
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Cpl Henry E Busby - SO, you think that WHITE people should be discriminated against because of the past? How far back should we go? In your picture you look WHITE to me. So what are you willing to give up PERSONNALLY to BLACKS? Your life? house? bank account? Car? Any and Everything YOU have worked for? WHAT?? AND TO WHOM? WHICH BLACK should receive payment for YOUR CRIMES FOR THE PAST? WHAT about the rest of the black people in the world? You own them too! WHAT ARE YOU..YOU GOING TO PAY?
What about the crimes against white people? How many generations should BLACKS be held accountable for the CRIMES of the past?

Personally, I've never owned a person, of any color. I guess you have! That's why you feel you owe Black people something. But I HAVE BEEN DISCRIMINATED FOR BEING A WHITE MALE EVERY DAY OF MY LIFE!
Sorry, only black people get scholarships. These grants are for minorities. Sorry, I know you have worked harder to get promoted, but... there's affirmative action, and we have to promote a black person, less qualified than you. Sorry, those federal jobs are only for blacks. AT WHAT POINT DID YOU STOP SEEING RACISM?
People like you are the APEX OF RACISM! YOU ARE SO RACIST YOU CAN'T SEE IT!

I OWN NO ONE IN THIS WORLD ANYTHING FOR THE PAST!

Lets' remove all names, race, age, sex, schooling attended from all forms of any promotions, jobs, evaluations etc. and let a PERSON, regardless of race, age or sex, stand on THEIR OWEN two feet!
Think about that pilot flying the plane you are in. Is he / she there because of Knowledge , Skills, and abilities OR RACIAL QUOTA?
What about that Doctor about to operated on you? Did he / she pass school because of Knowledge, Skills and Abilities or A RACIAL QUOTA?

These RACIST Organizations ANYWHERE in the USA present BLACK PEOPLE AS LESS OF A HUMAN! I guess you believed that too. I DON'T! You know, like the Democratic party who thinks black people are not smart enough to make it to a voting both.
Tell me, What country makes a bullet that distinguishes its' next target by race? I can't think of one. Yet the VA does. That's why there are special organizations for blacks. OR ONCE AGAIN does the Federal Government think a black person isn't capable of thinking for themselves.

I DON'T GIVE A RATS @#$ about what your race is, your sex, who you identify with or any of your other hang-ups. What I DO CARE ABOUT IS YOUR QUALIFICATIONS, SCHOOLING, EXPERIENCE and ABILITY to do the job as a HUMAN, NOT A QUOTA!

AND I DO NOT OWE A PERSON ONE D@#$% THING FOR WHAT HAPPEN IN THE PAST!
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Cpl Henry Busby
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MAJ David Stokes WOW! That was a lot. I knew that you were off your meds when you said that me and my wife looked white to you. But that's 5x5 My Man and I didn't mean to trigger you and am thankful that you were the only one. Seriously, I didn't know that you had it so bad in America as a white man. I never said that you owed anyone anything. I can't imagine the pain and disappointment you and your ancestors have suffered by not receiving the privilege you apparently think you deserve. I don't know why that is because it has always been readily available to you. But I am ignorant to your plight. What I don't know is who did this to you. You Poor Soul.
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SFC Howard Holmes
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LTC. Brown, I don't know who's pulling the B.S., but somebody is. Back in 1980, when I was an MP with the 9th MP Co. at Ft. Lewis, Madigan Army Medical Center had a black brigadier general then. I know very well, because one time he came through what was known as the DuPont gate, the southernmost gate to enter post, and I failed to salute him as he came in. I know that he was a black man, I know he was a general, because he stopped (because I didn't salute) and made me look at his bumper (because I told him I thought the blue sticker was green). Yeah, I brought that alpha charlie on myself, but yes, he was the commander of MAMC.
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LTC Francis Irwin
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I've never seen any data that diverse units have better combat performance. Call it more ethical, call it in line with your values, but please don't justify your social policy by telling military professionals that something is a force multiplier.
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SPC Chris Ison
SPC Chris Ison
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Social policy? The Military is supposed to be a meritocracy. I for one would rather have a gay person, who could do the job, in a foxhole with me, than an incompetent strait person.

It is that simple.

So i can "justify" the inclusion of someone who can perform up to, or surpassing standard, without worrying about who they fuck; Cause that is none of my business.
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SPC Chris Ison
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PO1 Todd McMillin - Were you expecting some type of response?

You basically said the same thing I did. I just did not put all my own horseshit into the argument. None of what you say about "social" policy is true.

I joined the navy and served during tail hook, dip shit, I know the truth of female aviation officers being sexually harassed.

I made rate second time up, at the 2.5 year mark in my Navy career something not done by most AT's. I was busted down for destruction government property. It was a shit show of a captains mast, i should have request a court martial. But, i did not know, back then, what i know now about the military justice system now. Being int he Navy i was only reduced from E-4 to E-3.

Only person "speaking truth" here is me.

Tell me asshole why did it take you 10 years to make E-6? Why did it take you two years to make E-4.

You really do not want to be throwing shit like that around when your promotion schedule is as shitty as yours.

And before you ask why I never made E-5 I will tell you I was never sent to PLDC. ND when they waived that I was not in a duty position that I was MOS qualified for,a s cuh I was not promoteable. But That is what happens when you fill an Armored unit with Infantry guys.
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PO1 Mike Wallace
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Creating special conditions, including recognition, based on skin is the definition of racism. The same is true when it comes to religion, sexual orientation and more. I'm not 'woke' so I'm unaware of what the terminology is today or what it might be tomorrow.
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Cpl Henry E Busby
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What was it in the wars of the past when they said that Blacks could not do this or that or the other and were proven wrong. The Tuskegee Airmen for example was told than they did not have the intelligence to fly. They were given scraps of planes which they pieced together and formed the Red Wing Squadron who were the most requested for flying escort and racked up some of the most kills. History is replete with such stories. While I was serving I had the pleasure of meeting some of the original Montford Point Marines who were ostracized, given substandard equipment and told what they couldn't do, and yet they did it anyway with bravery and honor. And even after serving with bravery, honor heroism, they still came home as second class citizens.

And no, we can't change the past, and in some instances the past is still being lived. In my many decades on this ball of mud called Earth, I have heard it said more than a few times "Why don't they just get over it!" Many of the heroic, unselfish acts of bravery were not a part of the history of America and now it seems that some want to remove what has been documented. But you know what!? THE BEAT GOES ON! And that has nothing to do with being WOKE, which many use incorrectly anyway, but the simple MILK OF HUMAN KINDNESS. When I fought beside a fellow Marine, I and no one else with any sense thought about the color of their skin since we were all Green. Some of us just Dark Green.
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SFC Niccademus Colin
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We should learn from the past, not re-live it or continue to blame it for our own short comings.
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SGT Nickolas Ortiz
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The idea of gay/straight is irrelevant. Combat readiness is the ONLY thing that matters. LGBTQXYZ... if you fall in that category, then good for you. If you do not help combat readiness, then you don't serve. A person with no legs does not get to be Special Forces... someone with diabetes is ineligible to serve... missing an eye can't get you into a pilot seat. There has always been gay people serving in the Military... but to need to change your gender on the dime of the American Citizen is where I draw the line. It's not an open for paying for your needs... it's a contract to the needs of the Country.
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CWO4 Terrence Clark
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SGM Willie Sanderson
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Well said my friend. Now the VA is following in the services footsteps with committing millions of funds to provide treatments for a self inflicted condition. Such a waste of funds and professional services that are already strapped and struggling to provide services to Veterans.
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MSgt John Hamilton
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I don't believe in inclusion or diversity, I believe in meritocracy.
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SFC Niccademus Colin
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Any rule, law regulation, memo, program. commander's policy, executive order, blah, blah, blah, that gives one group of people an advantage over another group of people of race, sex, creed, color or belief is an unconstitutional act, PERIOD! regardless of what the people before us did or allowed to happen should no longer be the issue. Equality for ALL is the issue of today. STOP the BS and let's treat each other as equals. where does all this hatred for others you don't even know come from? I don't understand it.
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SGT Nickolas Ortiz
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BOTTOM LINE: "Diversity" for the sake of diversity is a morale killer, NOT inclusive, does not reward merit or accomplishment, and is detrimental to the success of a organization. Diversity of thought is THE only thing diverse that is warranted. Intrinsic characteristics, like your paint job or where you were born, are irrelevant. Being the best at what you do, or the skills you can add to the group, THAT'S important.
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CWO4 Terrence Clark
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Funny in one post you say I should not be serving/ receiving medical care since I'm Trans but then in another post you want the best. Eell I'm the best at what I do but I'm also Trans.
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SGT Nickolas Ortiz
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I doubt you're "the best at what you do"... the "best" tends to be someone that is doesn't have to broadcast that. ALSO... if you're "trans", so what? Who cares? Good for you... but why should we pay for your method to transform into whatever it is you wish to transform yourself into? How is that the responsibility of the American Citizen? (hit: it's not). You wish to become a "whatever", pay for it yourself. YOU foot the bill. If you're a male to female, then you're taking a spot for a female. If you're a female to male, then you'll never have the capacity to fill the slot of a male (some males can't even fill that slot).

Keep in mind: the Military isn't there for the needs of the individual. We're here for the needs of the Republic.
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SrA Sheila Holmes
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Exactly! Mind if I share this so long as I quote you?
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SrA Sheila Holmes
SrA Sheila Holmes
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MCPO Rogers Glen Brewer, Sr. - Not sure why your comment is in response to me asking the OP if I could quote her post?
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SFC Ait Instructor
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There needs to be respect among all, top and down. Introducing the human element, the best weapon we have, allows us to become more combat ready to 'Fight Tonight'. Disregarding our differences or pretending that we're all carbon copies of one another hurts our ability to move, shoot and communicate. Creating distrust, dissent and above all eliminating our overall readiness.
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LTC David Brown
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Sgt (Join to see) - I agree. The other BIG PRBLEM in my estimation is when one group is labeled oppressed and another group is labeled oppressor solely on race. Then people are told, solely because of race, that the institution is oppressing them and is INTRINSICALLY racist. So when the fecal matter hits the rotary oscillator one group of soldiers, because of their race are obeying orders of a person oppressing them who is representing an oppressive institution. This will be sure to help unit cohesion.
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LTC David Brown - Yup. And you're right in your comments above also. Things like Affirmative Action, minority quotas, extra points on civil service exams, grants and scholarships for certain people based soley on the color of their skin. It's all the same thing. I thought the idea that MLK pushed was all about content of character, but the left seems to be going the opposite way and it has slithered it's way into the US military.
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PO1 Ken Helmick
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[Sgt David Carr] - It can get you after you get out of the service, as well. Some time after my Navy enlistment expired, I took the state civil service exam for college graduates. I thought I did well on the test, and my score of 100 out of 100 confirmed that. Better yet, having been awarded the Navy and Marine Corps Expeditionary Medal, I received a bonus of 5 extra points. This was just before Desert Storm, and I had received this for the Iranian Hostage crisis, so not a lot of people had those extra points. I was called into the relevant state office simply because I had 105 out of 100 points and therefore should have a dead lock on the job. What transpired was that women were given 15 points and black applicants were also given 15 points. Therefore, I lost out to every black woman with a score of 76. If I'd have had 90 points they would have not called me in and told me that I'd been beaten out, but they couldn't do that under the circumstances. This was circa 1989, so this has been going on a long time.
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CWO4 Terrence Clark
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PO1 Ken Helmick
To my recollection, it burst into full flower after the mutinies on the three carriers berthed in San Diego in 1972. I was a PO1 assigned brig watch. It's been grim since. Sgt (Join to see) LTC David Brown @
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LTC Ray Buenteo
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Promotion, assignment and recognition of acoomplishment should be based on a service members performance, professional development and needs of the military. To celebrate the “first” of any special interest group, race, gender, sexual orientation etc does not serve the needs of the military. All these “first” appointments serve the agenda of that group and promotes discrimination of those who do not participate or belong to that community . The military in and of itself is a community and when serve members are recognized based on their individual differences it promotes divisiveness and covert resentment . A soldier, Airman, Sailor, Marine, NCO, Officer, etc of the quarter, year command, etc should be based on merit and not gender, sexual orientation, trans, or soome other discrimination or racist based standard. For example When you call to attention the first “transgender soldier” of the quarter it is no longer about a soldiers accomplishment it’s about a person’s individual choice to exercise a life choice. The soldiers who are in competition are being told “you are clearly an outstanding soldier but your choice not to be transgender removes you from competition. It states we are not looking for the best soldier but the most accomplished transgender soldier!
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SMSgt Billy Cesarano
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You are wrong. You're logic is damaged. You're reasoning is flawed. Please provide examples of war where the diversity you describe here won the battle because of it.
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