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Posted on Nov 3, 2017
MAJ Montgomery Granger
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SPC Erich Guenther
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This is a horrible precedent for Military discipline and will only encourage the behavior in the future from future Soldiers. The fact he has his lawyer now arguing that the Dishonorable Discharge should be changed to General is even more sickening.
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PO3 John Jeter
PO3 John Jeter
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If I recall correctly, as a result of a federal lawsuit in the 60's, a dishonorable discharge triggers an automatic appeal. The process allows the discharge to be upgraded to a point where the label 'dishonorable' with the associated stigma are removed. The argument being that a dishonorable discharge was equivalent to a life sentence of hardship and discrimination. The truly disheartening part of that is that he will be eligible for health care and possibly VA disability benefits if he is granted his appeal request. His lawyers are arguing that he has (of course) PTSD, and is also suffering from a mental condition that prevents him from reasoning out his options for a given goal.
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MAJ Montgomery Granger
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The compassion for this poor victim is potentially endless. Bergdahl "Go fund me" is around the corner.
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PO3 John Jeter
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MAJ Montgomery Granger - I have a donation in mind, but it isn't PC......
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CW5 Edward "Tate" Jones Jr.
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I suspect that the Judge here will get a 'not so subtle" message that he is now terminal in current grade and will quietly disappear into retirement.
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Capt Gregory Prickett
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Which would prove Bergdahl's claim of unlawful command influence on appeal, and allow him to have the case against him dismissed entirely.
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MSG Floyd Williams
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This wouldn't have happen in the Cold War Era.
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SPC Christopher Perrien
SPC Christopher Perrien
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I'll give you a pass because you are old MSG . LOL Don't you recall "Wade E Roberts?
That hurt morale/espirit de corps worse than this incident. Of course we had more morale to lose.
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1st Lt Padre Dave Poedel
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Each era of our military’s history has its defining and symbolic moments. The South Vietnamese officer executing the NVA soldier with a handgun or the naked children with napalm burns will always represent the resistance and confusion about the Vietnam War. I am afraid Bergdahl will be representative of the current war because in spite of all of the selfless service of military service members, will represent how our nation just doesn’t get behind wars anymore. The Afghanistan War could have been a short and well defined response to 9/11 but instead it turned into the longest war in our history. Civillian leadership of the military works when conflicts are well defined and short. Anything more results in pundits creating media that undermines the statements of our leadership. Bergdahl is emblematic of Obama thinking he was smarter than the Generals and the Generals acting dumb. We need a policy that no war can last more than 1 year...period!
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MAJ Montgomery Granger
MAJ Montgomery Granger
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We make war that we may live in peace. President Trump has turned the Global War on Terror into opportunities for PEACE.
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Cpl Ed Casala
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One thing that surprised me about this was I discovered there was an ulterior motive for the swap of the five prisoners. At first I was thinking along the lines of pretty much every military member thinking he got the deal of the lifetime and the outrage over this. One day at work when all this happened I was at lunch where I work (its a high tech pharmaceutical company) when I heard a couple of people laughing about it. Thinking I would set them straight about it, I asked them what they thought was so funny about it. These two guys explained to me about a project they worked on as interns ten years ago, right after 9/11. Both of them have multiple PHD's in various fields and are rocket scientist type smart. They were part of a team that invented a gps like tracking device that is the size of a grain of rice. It is injected next to the carotid artery and holds a small explosive charge that if tampered with or commanded, goes off. Its a small charge just designed to make the person bleed out internally. It can be placed without the patient knowing its there. Drug them until they pass out, inject it under the beard, and put them back in the cell and they don't know there tagged. They are then tracked by satellite. Not only does the CIA know where these guys are at all times, but they have the ability to kill them at any time.

While I understand the disdain of the administration for the deal, do not underestimate the cunning of the intelligence community.
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MAJ Seth Goldstein
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I would think 5 years as a Taliban POW is somewhat of a punishment.
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MAJ Montgomery Granger
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Punishment? Just deserts. Punishment is when one is faced with the totality of their actions and then a sentence is brought forward. Mitigating circumstances? I say no, none. The fact that the whole posture of the mission in the area changed because of his actions, whether or not people died or were wounded looking for him, is enough of a SNAFU that there are no mitigating circumstances that would come close to being equal with CHANGING THE MISSION. Bergdahl's behavior became the catalyst for disaster, and ended up in exchange for five Taliban LEADERS, who are now part of a "peace negotiation team." One soldier should not be so important, especially one who deserted. He's lucky to be alive.
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CPT James Greene
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I wonder if you would feel the same if you had been a Taliban POW in a cage for five years.
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MAJ Montgomery Granger
MAJ Montgomery Granger
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I wouldn't have left my post. Bergdahl should not have been considered a POW. He was an admitted deserter. He probably left post looking for heroin anyway. That's how they controlled him. He's a complete disgrace.
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MSG Danny Mathers
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There are always mitigating circumstances which are considered in sentencing. The dirty little secret in Bergdahl's case was he spent five years of being sexually abused; That is what the Islamist do to Infidels. First they beat the crap out of them, then rape and torture until mentally broken. He was their "ho" for the entire time he was captured. It is easy to armchair the results of a sentence. I believe he got what he deserved as being a marked man the rest of his life. Who would hire him? Who are his friend? Probably none. He only has his family for the short term. He will have a lonely life unless something happens. He will carry his personal prison the rest of his life. Opinions vary....
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MAJ Montgomery Granger
MAJ Montgomery Granger
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"His family . . . The rest of his life . . . ." Something those who lost their lives looking for him don't have. How about those mitigating circumstances?
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MSG Danny Mathers
MSG Danny Mathers
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I personally know of lives lost over stupid things, starting with Vietnam up to the present. This is a subject where there is no right answer. I do pray for the families that lost loved ones looking for Bergdahl. Only God knows if he was ditrectly responsoible. I lived with survivors guilt many years from combat action in Vietnam which I faught hand to hand with the NVA; I did nothing wrong except not getting killed! My point is Bo will carry the weight of their souls until the day he dies. Now really, do you beileve the governments account? There is a reason he is not rotting in prison...................
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MSG David Villasenor
MSG David Villasenor
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MSG Danny Mathers - the little faggot probaby deserted because he was looking for someone to make him their bitch. he was craving dick.. sick coward bitch.
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PO3 Tom Clouser
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The info we DON"T have is this: Was Bergdahl acting under secret CIA orders? Remember that he DID provide valuable intel upon his debriefing. And also remember the state of the VA. Our politicians routinely ask for volunteers and then throw us in the meat grinder without support. (just look at the VA again.) it IS possible that the CIA recruited him for this special Op and then abandoned him. (probably not LIKELY, but still...) Look at Benghazi: where an Admiral was relieved of duty for ordering his Task Group to aid the 4 soldiers who were defending the Embassy. an ADMIRAL was relieved of duty for doing the right thing! Look at the FBI and all their "terrorist sting operations", where the FBI recruits people , trains them, provides them with weapons, bombs, etc... and then let those people commit terrorist acts so the FBI can follow them to bigger fish. I'm just saying that our politicians and spy groups have a track record of recruiting grunts to do the dirty work, and then hanging them out to dry on their own. IF this was a CIA op, then the wrong person was on trial, and Bergdahl was hung out to dry. But, that's a BIG IF. And it's an IF that wouldn't be declassified for at least 50 years, so WE may never know the truth...
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MAJ Montgomery Granger
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I'll keep an open mind on your theory. However, I think what is more likely is that Bergdahl provided ZERO valuable information. By his own admission, especially in the last several years before his release, he was isolated and had little contact with anyone other than his jailers. Intelligence is like fruit, it spoils rather quickly once off the vine or tree. I doubt seriously he had even an iota of information that had any value whatsoever. Bergdahl was a washout. War does things to people. It's not a natural or normal environment, and those who do not accept that can get themselves and others killed. He did the right thing. Leave and then don't come back. Too bad he didn't do it through his chain-of-command, IG, Chaplain or other legitimate avenue of redress of his grievances. I say, "Off with his head."
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Cpl Bill Johnson
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Bergdahl was a deserter, not a traitor. Treason requires actions the t wow cause great harm to the United States. He was a off in an infantry unit. What kind of information did he have that would cause that kind of damage? Likely zero.

Brgdhal is screwed for life... as he deserves, but what is it that you want to do to him that would assuage your anger... because that is what th is is about. Your anger. Your feelings. Berghal is probably the least of your worries
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MAJ Montgomery Granger
MAJ Montgomery Granger
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Meh. Not that angry, just disappointed that the judge seemed to feel mitigating circumstances outweighed the admitted crime. That's his job, but from the outside looking in it was crazy. Treason requires either giving aid or comfort to the enemy. Bergdahl's goal was to aid the enemy, and no matter the value of the information, if his intent and actions were treasonous he should have been charged and found guilty of treason, IMO. The bedrock of discipline and order and effectiveness in the military is loyalty. Without it, we're just another bunch of stiffs in cammo. With it, we can conquer the world, IMO. Thank you for your comments, Cpl.
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