Posted on Aug 24, 2017
There is Only One Measuring Stick to Veteran Status
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I find it very sad when there are some veterans who say that they don’t feel like veterans - that they don’t feel as if they earned the title because of a lack of certain experiences, awards, or schools. I would like to come forward right now and explain why this entire idea is absolute bullshit.
First, and possibly the most detrimental of these make-believe qualifiers to “be a veteran”, is the idea that the title is only bestowed upon someone that has endured the hardship of deployment or combat. I would like to say that this is not so. If this were truly a largely held belief, then there would be hundreds or thousands of men and women that have honorably worn a uniform and served that would not be considered veterans. Combat is its very own beast.
There are periods of our nation’s history where there was no war for decades, but we still had to maintain a readily available force in order to defend ourselves and deter our enemies. These men and women are just as much veterans as the gruff Marine who has done five tours to the sandbox.
It is not someone’s personal choice that prevents him or her from experiencing the horrors of combat (although for some, they have had the choice and power to stay away from the ordeal). This is dictated by higher commands, ordered to be done by certain units at certain times, and for the young Soldier, Marine, Seaman, Airman, or Coastie, it is pretty much a luck of the draw and out of their control. I don’t know of a single branch manager that would give a crap about some lowly private requesting a particular assignment. Sorry kid, but the needs of that 16-year Sergeant First Class are way higher on the list of priorities.
Second, the idea that a lack of awards or professional recognition somehow makes you less deserving of the title of veteran. I often hear this come from friends of mine that happen to bring awards up in conversation; it doesn’t happen often, but it has happened. Namely with a close friend of mine that served in the Army Reserves. Not only did he never deploy, which of course makes him not claim his veteran status, but he also has remarked that even if he does allow himself to be a veteran, that he is somehow lesser than those of us who have a little more color on our chests. I say that this is possibly even more ridiculous than the combat crap.
Awards are a great way to tell where someone has been, what they have done, and where they stand in a kind of hierarchy when it comes to peer groups. They are a resume that can be worn on your uniform and nothing more. I can tell how far someone is in their professional development as an NCO by seeing how many Noncommissioned Officer Professional Development Ribbons someone has. I can use the information gathered by seeing someone’s campaign medals and overseas service ribbons to see how many times they have been to combat and perhaps if they have served in Germany. I had a friend that had a star on his Airborne Wings; he had participated in one of the only combat jumps into Iraq in the past decade or so. None of these make someone more qualified to be a veteran though. These are just things they have done since they came in; stories that they can tell other veterans while they sit at the VFW and tell their war stories. That is all.
Lastly, “I’m not a real veteran if I didn’t do something ‘cool’.” This one is what leads those poor, underappreciated kids to don their old ACUs, go grab some badges from the local army surplus store, and parade around telling everyone that they were Ranger SEAL Snipers. Everyone is a veteran who served in the US military - not just special forces... it takes all types.
The military does not work without us all. A scout cannot use his M3A3 if the mechanics don’t fix it everytime it breaks. The radios in my truck don’t work properly when I try to call for fire if the commo guys aren’t there to make sure retrains works and that the fill is properly encoded. That combat outpost will go black on water, food, ammunition, and fuel if the 88Ms don’t come rolling through every few days with LogPac. Not everyone can be the super cool Delta Force Operator, but everyone can play a small role in a very large picture. The machine fails if one portion of it fails. Everyone needs to remember that.
If you raised your right hand and took the oath, laced up your boots and put on your uniform. If you did two years and ETS’d or retired with 20 plus. If you were injured or broken somehow and received a medical discharge. If your DD214 says anything other than “Dishonorable” in block 24, you, my friend, are a veteran. You are my brother, my friend, and my family, and I don’t care what any other moron has to say about it.
First, and possibly the most detrimental of these make-believe qualifiers to “be a veteran”, is the idea that the title is only bestowed upon someone that has endured the hardship of deployment or combat. I would like to say that this is not so. If this were truly a largely held belief, then there would be hundreds or thousands of men and women that have honorably worn a uniform and served that would not be considered veterans. Combat is its very own beast.
There are periods of our nation’s history where there was no war for decades, but we still had to maintain a readily available force in order to defend ourselves and deter our enemies. These men and women are just as much veterans as the gruff Marine who has done five tours to the sandbox.
It is not someone’s personal choice that prevents him or her from experiencing the horrors of combat (although for some, they have had the choice and power to stay away from the ordeal). This is dictated by higher commands, ordered to be done by certain units at certain times, and for the young Soldier, Marine, Seaman, Airman, or Coastie, it is pretty much a luck of the draw and out of their control. I don’t know of a single branch manager that would give a crap about some lowly private requesting a particular assignment. Sorry kid, but the needs of that 16-year Sergeant First Class are way higher on the list of priorities.
Second, the idea that a lack of awards or professional recognition somehow makes you less deserving of the title of veteran. I often hear this come from friends of mine that happen to bring awards up in conversation; it doesn’t happen often, but it has happened. Namely with a close friend of mine that served in the Army Reserves. Not only did he never deploy, which of course makes him not claim his veteran status, but he also has remarked that even if he does allow himself to be a veteran, that he is somehow lesser than those of us who have a little more color on our chests. I say that this is possibly even more ridiculous than the combat crap.
Awards are a great way to tell where someone has been, what they have done, and where they stand in a kind of hierarchy when it comes to peer groups. They are a resume that can be worn on your uniform and nothing more. I can tell how far someone is in their professional development as an NCO by seeing how many Noncommissioned Officer Professional Development Ribbons someone has. I can use the information gathered by seeing someone’s campaign medals and overseas service ribbons to see how many times they have been to combat and perhaps if they have served in Germany. I had a friend that had a star on his Airborne Wings; he had participated in one of the only combat jumps into Iraq in the past decade or so. None of these make someone more qualified to be a veteran though. These are just things they have done since they came in; stories that they can tell other veterans while they sit at the VFW and tell their war stories. That is all.
Lastly, “I’m not a real veteran if I didn’t do something ‘cool’.” This one is what leads those poor, underappreciated kids to don their old ACUs, go grab some badges from the local army surplus store, and parade around telling everyone that they were Ranger SEAL Snipers. Everyone is a veteran who served in the US military - not just special forces... it takes all types.
The military does not work without us all. A scout cannot use his M3A3 if the mechanics don’t fix it everytime it breaks. The radios in my truck don’t work properly when I try to call for fire if the commo guys aren’t there to make sure retrains works and that the fill is properly encoded. That combat outpost will go black on water, food, ammunition, and fuel if the 88Ms don’t come rolling through every few days with LogPac. Not everyone can be the super cool Delta Force Operator, but everyone can play a small role in a very large picture. The machine fails if one portion of it fails. Everyone needs to remember that.
If you raised your right hand and took the oath, laced up your boots and put on your uniform. If you did two years and ETS’d or retired with 20 plus. If you were injured or broken somehow and received a medical discharge. If your DD214 says anything other than “Dishonorable” in block 24, you, my friend, are a veteran. You are my brother, my friend, and my family, and I don’t care what any other moron has to say about it.
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X Files told us "the truth is out there" I doubt it. So many "veterans" tell the same story that they have become accepted. I've gotten to the point I don't believe anyone. But then again I don't really care. You want to be a veteran, get a leg shot off, then again it could just as easily been diabetes.
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When you leave service and go back to civilian life you will find many do not understand the military life and the many experiences you have had. I did have those experiences of people not understanding, but then joined the American Legion and immediately felt that I was once again among family who understood. Branch of service made no differences. We found so many common grounds of experiences. I also like the fact the Legion is giving back to veterans and their families. It feels good to still be serving.
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While indo understand your ponts and agree with you, i can not help but feel i am a failure and not good enough to be called a proper veteran.
I know its a personal feeling. I just cant shake it. I should have been in iraq with my brethren in arms. That failure feels like i let my family down and can never repair the shame done. I ask myself frequently "who might be alive today, who might be more physically whole if i had been there or exchanged places with on th death list".
I will always feel this way because the army was my family, and i truly bekieve i failed them by getting injured in my tank accident and being unable to stay in.
Its that simple.
I know its a personal feeling. I just cant shake it. I should have been in iraq with my brethren in arms. That failure feels like i let my family down and can never repair the shame done. I ask myself frequently "who might be alive today, who might be more physically whole if i had been there or exchanged places with on th death list".
I will always feel this way because the army was my family, and i truly bekieve i failed them by getting injured in my tank accident and being unable to stay in.
Its that simple.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
I've know a few guys who have experienced similar situations and it is nothing to be ashamed of. Sometimes shit happens.
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The Ruskies never pulled anything during the Cold War when I was in so I believe it was the Roosevelt Diplomatic policy of "Walk Softly and Carry a Big Stick" and Pvt. Ruether walking guard duty around the Howitzer lot during Basic Training that swayed them all into submission!
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SGT Fredrick Ramm
I remember a cartoon, where a soldier is explaining his medals: "And that one was for getting bit by a hippie on Moratorium Day!" Between Moratorium Day at Fort Dix and The Fish Hook Demonstrations in West Germany, was my only experience with an enemy...perhaps a National Guardsman had more combat during The Newark Riots than I did. But, I enlisted, 12 September 1969 3 year RA 11E... my only rough situation was: Bad Attitudes, Drugs, Racial Problems, and being discriminated against on the streets of New Jersey as a Veteran
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I agree. But stop and consider this. The Politically Correct Mob is redefining our deal.
The Vet's blood, pain and life were acceptable sacrifices to the military in service to his Nation. He served honorably at home or abroad and was discharged with honor at the end of his service.
As an honorably discharged Vet, he was entitled to respect and a package of benefits, which included burial in a National cemetary.
Now come the revisionist politicians playing to the Politically Correct mob who renege on that contract. They add a post service cancellation clause.
Its all okay as long as he/she doesn't get convicted of murder or rape in his post military life! If he does he can't be buried in hallowed ground!
I for one protest!
The Vet's blood, pain and life were acceptable sacrifices to the military in service to his Nation. He served honorably at home or abroad and was discharged with honor at the end of his service.
As an honorably discharged Vet, he was entitled to respect and a package of benefits, which included burial in a National cemetary.
Now come the revisionist politicians playing to the Politically Correct mob who renege on that contract. They add a post service cancellation clause.
Its all okay as long as he/she doesn't get convicted of murder or rape in his post military life! If he does he can't be buried in hallowed ground!
I for one protest!
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
Yeah, I'm of the mind that even if you do mess up horribly in later life that doesn't mean that you didn't do something incredible. You earned your "prize" one might say. But I think that just goes along with the thought that people never remember you for all the good things that you have done, just that one mistake that somehow defines you.
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What is your meassuring stick to c if I qualify or are you just judging to see if I got your standards or whatever other reasons ? 1983 May 10th entered Active duty ECHO company Fort Benning Georgia HARMONY CHURCH E-9-2 45 th Company Airborne School ! I was a member of the First Cohesive unit that the Infantry put together after Nam 18 months together from basic AIT JUMP SCHOOL ,THEN TOGETHER Until the 18 months together was completed my company was the First to jump into Fort Bragg From AIRBORNE SCHOOL Since 1975 if I remember right 82nd AIRBORNE Division 2/325 Charlie company , CHARLIE COBRAS LETS GO IS OUR BATTALIONS MOTO NEED ANY ADDITIONAL INFO I CAN GIVE YOU 53 OTHERS THAT MADE TGAT SAME TRIP INCLUDING MY SQUAD LEADER SSG WILLIAM FRAZIER HE IS GETTING MARRIED THIS WEEK SO CUT HIM SOME SLACK ON RESPONSE TIME !!! BET THAT , ALL THE WAY AIRBORNE EVERY FUCKING DAY EVEN STILL TO DAY I PUT MY COMBAT BOOTS ON EVERY DAY AGAINST DOCTORS ORDERS I, I CAN ONLY be that which I am ,ok if u need additional info you let me know !
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