Posted on Aug 24, 2017
There is Only One Measuring Stick to Veteran Status
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I find it very sad when there are some veterans who say that they don’t feel like veterans - that they don’t feel as if they earned the title because of a lack of certain experiences, awards, or schools. I would like to come forward right now and explain why this entire idea is absolute bullshit.
First, and possibly the most detrimental of these make-believe qualifiers to “be a veteran”, is the idea that the title is only bestowed upon someone that has endured the hardship of deployment or combat. I would like to say that this is not so. If this were truly a largely held belief, then there would be hundreds or thousands of men and women that have honorably worn a uniform and served that would not be considered veterans. Combat is its very own beast.
There are periods of our nation’s history where there was no war for decades, but we still had to maintain a readily available force in order to defend ourselves and deter our enemies. These men and women are just as much veterans as the gruff Marine who has done five tours to the sandbox.
It is not someone’s personal choice that prevents him or her from experiencing the horrors of combat (although for some, they have had the choice and power to stay away from the ordeal). This is dictated by higher commands, ordered to be done by certain units at certain times, and for the young Soldier, Marine, Seaman, Airman, or Coastie, it is pretty much a luck of the draw and out of their control. I don’t know of a single branch manager that would give a crap about some lowly private requesting a particular assignment. Sorry kid, but the needs of that 16-year Sergeant First Class are way higher on the list of priorities.
Second, the idea that a lack of awards or professional recognition somehow makes you less deserving of the title of veteran. I often hear this come from friends of mine that happen to bring awards up in conversation; it doesn’t happen often, but it has happened. Namely with a close friend of mine that served in the Army Reserves. Not only did he never deploy, which of course makes him not claim his veteran status, but he also has remarked that even if he does allow himself to be a veteran, that he is somehow lesser than those of us who have a little more color on our chests. I say that this is possibly even more ridiculous than the combat crap.
Awards are a great way to tell where someone has been, what they have done, and where they stand in a kind of hierarchy when it comes to peer groups. They are a resume that can be worn on your uniform and nothing more. I can tell how far someone is in their professional development as an NCO by seeing how many Noncommissioned Officer Professional Development Ribbons someone has. I can use the information gathered by seeing someone’s campaign medals and overseas service ribbons to see how many times they have been to combat and perhaps if they have served in Germany. I had a friend that had a star on his Airborne Wings; he had participated in one of the only combat jumps into Iraq in the past decade or so. None of these make someone more qualified to be a veteran though. These are just things they have done since they came in; stories that they can tell other veterans while they sit at the VFW and tell their war stories. That is all.
Lastly, “I’m not a real veteran if I didn’t do something ‘cool’.” This one is what leads those poor, underappreciated kids to don their old ACUs, go grab some badges from the local army surplus store, and parade around telling everyone that they were Ranger SEAL Snipers. Everyone is a veteran who served in the US military - not just special forces... it takes all types.
The military does not work without us all. A scout cannot use his M3A3 if the mechanics don’t fix it everytime it breaks. The radios in my truck don’t work properly when I try to call for fire if the commo guys aren’t there to make sure retrains works and that the fill is properly encoded. That combat outpost will go black on water, food, ammunition, and fuel if the 88Ms don’t come rolling through every few days with LogPac. Not everyone can be the super cool Delta Force Operator, but everyone can play a small role in a very large picture. The machine fails if one portion of it fails. Everyone needs to remember that.
If you raised your right hand and took the oath, laced up your boots and put on your uniform. If you did two years and ETS’d or retired with 20 plus. If you were injured or broken somehow and received a medical discharge. If your DD214 says anything other than “Dishonorable” in block 24, you, my friend, are a veteran. You are my brother, my friend, and my family, and I don’t care what any other moron has to say about it.
First, and possibly the most detrimental of these make-believe qualifiers to “be a veteran”, is the idea that the title is only bestowed upon someone that has endured the hardship of deployment or combat. I would like to say that this is not so. If this were truly a largely held belief, then there would be hundreds or thousands of men and women that have honorably worn a uniform and served that would not be considered veterans. Combat is its very own beast.
There are periods of our nation’s history where there was no war for decades, but we still had to maintain a readily available force in order to defend ourselves and deter our enemies. These men and women are just as much veterans as the gruff Marine who has done five tours to the sandbox.
It is not someone’s personal choice that prevents him or her from experiencing the horrors of combat (although for some, they have had the choice and power to stay away from the ordeal). This is dictated by higher commands, ordered to be done by certain units at certain times, and for the young Soldier, Marine, Seaman, Airman, or Coastie, it is pretty much a luck of the draw and out of their control. I don’t know of a single branch manager that would give a crap about some lowly private requesting a particular assignment. Sorry kid, but the needs of that 16-year Sergeant First Class are way higher on the list of priorities.
Second, the idea that a lack of awards or professional recognition somehow makes you less deserving of the title of veteran. I often hear this come from friends of mine that happen to bring awards up in conversation; it doesn’t happen often, but it has happened. Namely with a close friend of mine that served in the Army Reserves. Not only did he never deploy, which of course makes him not claim his veteran status, but he also has remarked that even if he does allow himself to be a veteran, that he is somehow lesser than those of us who have a little more color on our chests. I say that this is possibly even more ridiculous than the combat crap.
Awards are a great way to tell where someone has been, what they have done, and where they stand in a kind of hierarchy when it comes to peer groups. They are a resume that can be worn on your uniform and nothing more. I can tell how far someone is in their professional development as an NCO by seeing how many Noncommissioned Officer Professional Development Ribbons someone has. I can use the information gathered by seeing someone’s campaign medals and overseas service ribbons to see how many times they have been to combat and perhaps if they have served in Germany. I had a friend that had a star on his Airborne Wings; he had participated in one of the only combat jumps into Iraq in the past decade or so. None of these make someone more qualified to be a veteran though. These are just things they have done since they came in; stories that they can tell other veterans while they sit at the VFW and tell their war stories. That is all.
Lastly, “I’m not a real veteran if I didn’t do something ‘cool’.” This one is what leads those poor, underappreciated kids to don their old ACUs, go grab some badges from the local army surplus store, and parade around telling everyone that they were Ranger SEAL Snipers. Everyone is a veteran who served in the US military - not just special forces... it takes all types.
The military does not work without us all. A scout cannot use his M3A3 if the mechanics don’t fix it everytime it breaks. The radios in my truck don’t work properly when I try to call for fire if the commo guys aren’t there to make sure retrains works and that the fill is properly encoded. That combat outpost will go black on water, food, ammunition, and fuel if the 88Ms don’t come rolling through every few days with LogPac. Not everyone can be the super cool Delta Force Operator, but everyone can play a small role in a very large picture. The machine fails if one portion of it fails. Everyone needs to remember that.
If you raised your right hand and took the oath, laced up your boots and put on your uniform. If you did two years and ETS’d or retired with 20 plus. If you were injured or broken somehow and received a medical discharge. If your DD214 says anything other than “Dishonorable” in block 24, you, my friend, are a veteran. You are my brother, my friend, and my family, and I don’t care what any other moron has to say about it.
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I have a sweat shirt that says it best. I'm a Cold Warrior. And proud of it.
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I have never deployed and always wanted to. My husband always says it isn't as great as you might think. To that I say this: It's not about fun. It's about feeling like I actually served the purpose I originally joined for. If I cannot do that, why am I here?
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
You're there to do your job. No more, no less. If the army thinks that means staying stateside, then that's your job.
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Depends on who you talk to. The American Legion requires a DD 214, the VFW supposedly requires wartime experience. Vietnam Veterans floored me when they included "Era Veterans". Seems everyone has their own criteria which starts with them and their friends.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
Uh, no. Now you're getting into something completely different. VFW requires foreign service because it is the Veterans of Foreign Wars....
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SSG Edward Tilton
So they say. A quick check will find many who never left CONUS. I don't care, I don't belong, except to the DAV. I see them helping
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SSG Edward Tilton
SGT Joseph Gunderson - They seem to require Foreign but not War. Everyone sets their own boundary. We can get into a whole STOLEN VALOR thing, obviously many of then don't feel adequate without enough medals and badges
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
VFW stands for Veterans of Foreign Wars.... they aren't saying someone isn't a veteran without combat service. That organization is just for those who have foreign service. In fact, those who have earn a Korean service medal are able to join the VFW and they have never seen combat.
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To those who feel like they did not deserve Veteran Status, you do. You might not of served in a combat role or even left stateside but your contribution was appreciated from the Clerk to the Food Service Tech. To vehicle Maintenance. I am an Air Force Veteran who served Overseas in a combat area but without the supply people, logistics and Intel and Drone Operators I would not be here. So thank you and always be proud of your Service to this Country and all Volunteer Armed Forces.
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I was in 14 yrs...the first 10 as a fire fighter then the last 4 in a medical unit. I was treated very unfairly, the unit discharged me honorably when my ETS date came (might I add I did not want out just a different unit) then they said to my face you can transfer when you find a new unit next thing I know they discharged me...that's a whole other crappy story lol...I had a tough ride especially when I went to the medical unit but either way I never got the opportunity to deploy which I would have gladly taken...since out I am not considered a veteran which is heartbreaking for me. I am trying to get back in so fingers crossed.
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We recognized the uniform they wore while serving, (and they did wear the uniform, putting theirs uniform on with the same pride and concern, trepidation of the unknown what fate had in-store for them. Yet now there are those that choose to spit hairs, try to demean others who service our country. Why not have their back! If they served, they did serve! They should be just as much your brother now as before Departing military service. Honor all who honorable and to the best of their abilities served. After service is a very tough time for all Veteran’s! maybe if instead of picking at them, you let them know they are still your brothers regardless branch of serve or MOS or rank or locations that they served, it might make a big difference to those with badly beaten self esteem.
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It takes 5-6 soldiers to support one Infantry Soldier. Those 5-6 soldiers, airmen, sailors and such make where the modern infantry can perform their job. Each are Veterans in war and peace time. The ones in country are the Combat Veterans. Some foreign units use less or none at all but unusual like the legion. I think it also hits on a subject even for the Combat Veterans they feel something is missing they could of done better, achieved or regretted not accomplishing like schools, awards and such. Think about the ones in convoys that were killed and even one that was captured in the first Gulf War. They are veterans as well.
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