Posted on Apr 8, 2015
Veterans: Have you joined the American Legion or VFW? Why or why not?
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As I wrote this, responses to that question were arriving every minute from the "Vietnam Veterans Only" group on Facebook. It seems my question hit a nerve. Take a look at a random sampling of the responses in the image...
Can you imagine my surprise?
I was fortunate that, when I completed my tour of duty in Vietnam, I was assigned to a post in Hawaii where there was little hostility between the military and civilian communities. Thus, I was spared the abuses that many Vietnam Veterans experienced on their return to CONUS (the Continental United States). I am appalled to learn that my comrades could not find sanctuary even among other veterans. It seems “The Greatest Generation” wasn't as great as I once believed.
On Veterans Day and Memorial Day over the years, as we passed Veterans soliciting donations in exchange for a “Buddy Poppy”, my wife would ask me, “Why don't you join?” I merely shrugged and replied, “Those organizations are for 'real' soldiers. They don't want any REMFs hanging around.”
REMFs are Rear Echelon Mother F*****s, the ones who served “in the rear with the gear”. To be more precise, they were the commanders who sent troops in harm’s way, often disastrously, without exposing themselves to danger. So no, I wasn't one of those and, in truth, there weren't many “rear areas” in Vietnam. Base camps, such as the one to which I was assigned, were located all over the countryside and every perimeter was a front line. Also, in addition to administrative duties, I was a platoon leader for the base camp security force inasmuch as I was a trained infantry officer. Thus, my real reason for not joining, I suppose, was that I never felt the need.
Things changed as news broke about the scandals within the Veterans Administration. As we learned of Veterans dying while languishing on secret waiting lists and other systemic failures, I decided that I had to do something. We were taught as Soldiers to take care of one another on the battlefield. How could we do any less in these circumstances?
I joined both the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars and attended a couple meetings for both. The VFW post in my community seemed better organized, and I began focusing my attentions there; however, I intend on devoting more time to the American Legion once I'm settled into the VFW.
We visit patients at the Veterans Hospital in Long Beach and the Navy Hospital near Camp Pendleton to cater events for them, sponsor student competitions and award prizes for scholarship, sanction Boy Scout units, and provide honor guards for Veterans' burials as well as community events. One of our most valuable services is helping Veterans apply for VA benefits and shepherding them through the red tape jungle. Like all other VFW posts, we contribute to our national organization and the homes they maintain for widows and orphans of Veterans who have fought in foreign wars.
I'm sure the activities vary from one post to another, but there hasn't been any drinking or smoking at mine (yet).
To be honest, there are a few WWII and Korean Veterans still hanging on, but Vietnam Veterans seem to predominate, at least among those who attend meetings. I'm especially happy to see younger veterans fresh from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq joining. Hopefully, we can help them network for education and job opportunities as they transition to civilian life. I certainly won't be displaying the behavior Vietnam Veterans experienced when they attempted to join, and I won't permit it to go unchallenged if others try.
Can you imagine my surprise?
I was fortunate that, when I completed my tour of duty in Vietnam, I was assigned to a post in Hawaii where there was little hostility between the military and civilian communities. Thus, I was spared the abuses that many Vietnam Veterans experienced on their return to CONUS (the Continental United States). I am appalled to learn that my comrades could not find sanctuary even among other veterans. It seems “The Greatest Generation” wasn't as great as I once believed.
On Veterans Day and Memorial Day over the years, as we passed Veterans soliciting donations in exchange for a “Buddy Poppy”, my wife would ask me, “Why don't you join?” I merely shrugged and replied, “Those organizations are for 'real' soldiers. They don't want any REMFs hanging around.”
REMFs are Rear Echelon Mother F*****s, the ones who served “in the rear with the gear”. To be more precise, they were the commanders who sent troops in harm’s way, often disastrously, without exposing themselves to danger. So no, I wasn't one of those and, in truth, there weren't many “rear areas” in Vietnam. Base camps, such as the one to which I was assigned, were located all over the countryside and every perimeter was a front line. Also, in addition to administrative duties, I was a platoon leader for the base camp security force inasmuch as I was a trained infantry officer. Thus, my real reason for not joining, I suppose, was that I never felt the need.
Things changed as news broke about the scandals within the Veterans Administration. As we learned of Veterans dying while languishing on secret waiting lists and other systemic failures, I decided that I had to do something. We were taught as Soldiers to take care of one another on the battlefield. How could we do any less in these circumstances?
I joined both the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars and attended a couple meetings for both. The VFW post in my community seemed better organized, and I began focusing my attentions there; however, I intend on devoting more time to the American Legion once I'm settled into the VFW.
We visit patients at the Veterans Hospital in Long Beach and the Navy Hospital near Camp Pendleton to cater events for them, sponsor student competitions and award prizes for scholarship, sanction Boy Scout units, and provide honor guards for Veterans' burials as well as community events. One of our most valuable services is helping Veterans apply for VA benefits and shepherding them through the red tape jungle. Like all other VFW posts, we contribute to our national organization and the homes they maintain for widows and orphans of Veterans who have fought in foreign wars.
I'm sure the activities vary from one post to another, but there hasn't been any drinking or smoking at mine (yet).
To be honest, there are a few WWII and Korean Veterans still hanging on, but Vietnam Veterans seem to predominate, at least among those who attend meetings. I'm especially happy to see younger veterans fresh from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq joining. Hopefully, we can help them network for education and job opportunities as they transition to civilian life. I certainly won't be displaying the behavior Vietnam Veterans experienced when they attempted to join, and I won't permit it to go unchallenged if others try.
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Responses: 202
I'm a member of the VFW, however, I'm not active. The VFW in my town is more of a night club for non vets and is known for drug activity. Because my civilian occupation is a police officer, I'm not exactly treated well by the customers at the VFW, even though the staff treats me well.
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MSG (Join to see)
I believe this has more to do with our local VFW trying to stay "in business" so they allow everyone in. They make more money off the nonvets then they do the vets.
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MSG (Join to see)
It got better in recent years, however, it was quite a problem within the community for a while. I had arrested individuals for possession and delivery of heroin in there for example.
Understand the issues with the customers were rarely veterans themselves, however, they were no-veterans who chose the VFW to be their bar of choice.
Understand the issues with the customers were rarely veterans themselves, however, they were no-veterans who chose the VFW to be their bar of choice.
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My only experience with the VFW was right after Desert Storm. I joined the Army Reserves and walked into a VFW one weekend in uniform to ask about membership. I stood at the bar with more than 30 people in the place. 1st ID combat patch on my sleeve I waited 10 minutes and not one person spoke to me. A few years later I went into the same VFW with my mother-in-law at the time who was an auxiliary member and never did get a warm response. She told me I could join, but never gave me a good reason why I should. I can drink at home and I already have life insurance. VFW and American Legion as so many have said are dated organizations that need to accept change. As I get closer to retirement I think about joining a vet organization, but hesitate when it comes to the VFW or American Legion. I believe I can do more by volunteering to support homeless veterans or work with vets that have PTSD. The only difference is will not get to wear a cool hat with all my medals.
My only experience with the VFW was right after Desert Storm. I joined the Army Reserves and walked into a VFW one weekend in uniform to ask about membership. I stood at the bar with more than 30 people in the place. 1st ID combat patch on my sleeve I waited 10 minutes and not one person spoke to me. A few years later I went into the same VFW with my mother-in-law at the time who was an auxiliary member and never did get a warm response. She told me I could join, but never gave me a good reason why I should. I can drink at home and I already have life insurance. VFW and American Legion as so many have said are dated organizations that need to accept change. As I get closer to retirement I think about joining a vet organization, but hesitate when it comes to the VFW or American Legion. I believe I can do more by volunteering to support homeless veterans or work with vets that have PTSD. The only difference is will not get to wear a cool hat with all my medals.
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Honestly it IS very hard to feel like I belong. There is a huge age gap. However, I joined my local VFW Post and I can not complain. Everyone is very social and nice. They're quite active and whenever I'm not working, I make sure to join in our community service opportunities. I have a conference this weekend and there will be an open discussion for current members. My question will regard membership because I know that there are many Veterans that don't fit the criteria simply because the lack the medals. If you signed the dotted line and served honorably, you should be allowed to join. My VFW Post's membership numbers are high...it's the lack of participation that kills it.
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CPO David Sharp
PO2, There is the Fleet Reserve Association which is for Sea Service Personnel. We are seeking younger Shipmates and encourage all to get into a Branch near them. If you would like the location of a local Branch feel free to contact me at [login to see] . I have a directory of Branches in the U.S.
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CPT Jack Durish
I've heard your complaint many times. However, there is a solution. Gather a gang of young veterans and storm the place. Take it over. Use Lysol to rid the place of the smell of old and breathe some life into it. I know our VFW post has a substantial treasury waiting for some young people to take over while we get a chance to relax. Go for it
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I haven't joined either. The reason is that I have visited both and I couldn't see the other end of the hall through the cigarette smoke (nothing against smoking...just not my thing) and the smell of alchohol permeating the room. If I want that, I will go to a pub. From what I have read, through others talks, they aren't about embracing change for the next generation either. What has worked in the past will work in the future for our chapter mentality.
I might join and give them my membership money because they have a good lobby for veterans but I won't attend any meetings.
I might join and give them my membership money because they have a good lobby for veterans but I won't attend any meetings.
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CPT Jack Durish
Not all posts are the same. We don't have a bar or any smoke. We're too busy helping other veterans to waste time on such things. Look around
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Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth
Capt Durish...I agree.that not all are the same. Unfortunately,where I live is small town America and the next nearest post anywhere close is at least 1.5 to 2 hours away.
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I do not belong to either. I don't feel as if I'd be accepted well at either and furthermore, I didn't know I could join. Honestly, I always thought it was for male veterans of the Vietnam War and earlier..
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CPO David Sharp
SGT., Look into the Fleet Reserve Association. This Organization serves Sea Service Veterans, Retired and Active and Reserve Personnel. Another note is the Northeast/New England Regional President is a retired CPO and Female. Want more info on a Branch near you contact me at [login to see] . You can see an bit about it at http://www.fra.org.
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CPO David Sharp
Sgt., Anything I can do to help please feel free. We all served and that stands for something deeper.
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I am a paid in full lifetime member of the American Legion. Been too busy with work and a full time school schedule to do much with my local post. I joined so I can meet other vets, trade stories and help others. I also see it as a possible advantage with locating better jobs when I finish my BS degree in Network Security. Especially since today's military is becoming more tech-savvy.
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I am recently retired as of NOV15. I would like to join these organizations, however, I do not feel like I would fit the mold. I was medically retired after a mere 5 years of active service. I was never afforded the opportunity to deploy anywhere. Therefore, I'm either ineligible or would feel extremely out of place.
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CPT Jack Durish
You wouldn't qualify for the VFW but I'm sure the American Legion would welcome you. Also, I'm not sure what your medical issue was but it may qualify you for the Disabled American Veterans, another fine organization. And don't worry about feeling out of place. I'm sure you feel that a lot more in the civilian community...
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I joined the American Legion back in 1997 because at the time I was unable to join the VFW and had never heard of the Fleet Reserve Association (FRA). I have since become life members of the latter two but as most probably know - the American Legion do not offer discounted life memberships. While I would like to be a life member to them - it's hard for just about everyone to pony up $750 even if given a year to pay for it. I am currently in the process of joining the Disabled American Veterans but at least their lifetime membership is only about $250 or thereabouts. I no longer belong to the American Legion, and the constant issues with dues and the frequent raising of dues and lack of connection as well as the lifetime membership rate was part of it.
I tried looking for the FRA post here in Roanoke, VA. It took me to a residential area in Hardy, VA and I'm wondering if the post meets out of another location but all administration is handled via that local mailing address.
I've been to several meetings in other locations I have lived but have only been by the VFW Post here in Roanoke that is near the airport. It seems to be the only one in the area with an active lounge. I drove by one of the other posts and it looked run down and didn't have any signs of life. I enjoy the lounge bantering and getting to mingle with the older Veterans.
Now that I'm retired from the Navy, I hope to get to be more active with the VFW post. They seem to have a very active Post and I would enjoy giving back and rubbing elbows of my fellow brothers and sisters who have donned the Cloth of their Nation. I'm hoping that more Vets my age would be a part as well.
I tried looking for the FRA post here in Roanoke, VA. It took me to a residential area in Hardy, VA and I'm wondering if the post meets out of another location but all administration is handled via that local mailing address.
I've been to several meetings in other locations I have lived but have only been by the VFW Post here in Roanoke that is near the airport. It seems to be the only one in the area with an active lounge. I drove by one of the other posts and it looked run down and didn't have any signs of life. I enjoy the lounge bantering and getting to mingle with the older Veterans.
Now that I'm retired from the Navy, I hope to get to be more active with the VFW post. They seem to have a very active Post and I would enjoy giving back and rubbing elbows of my fellow brothers and sisters who have donned the Cloth of their Nation. I'm hoping that more Vets my age would be a part as well.
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what about us who were in 1977-1978? we are not considerd "war veterans" even though we sufferd through the Carter Adm and the boat lift?
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