Posted on Apr 8, 2015
Veterans: Have you joined the American Legion or VFW? Why or why not?
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As I wrote this, responses to that question were arriving every minute from the "Vietnam Veterans Only" group on Facebook. It seems my question hit a nerve. Take a look at a random sampling of the responses in the image...
Can you imagine my surprise?
I was fortunate that, when I completed my tour of duty in Vietnam, I was assigned to a post in Hawaii where there was little hostility between the military and civilian communities. Thus, I was spared the abuses that many Vietnam Veterans experienced on their return to CONUS (the Continental United States). I am appalled to learn that my comrades could not find sanctuary even among other veterans. It seems “The Greatest Generation” wasn't as great as I once believed.
On Veterans Day and Memorial Day over the years, as we passed Veterans soliciting donations in exchange for a “Buddy Poppy”, my wife would ask me, “Why don't you join?” I merely shrugged and replied, “Those organizations are for 'real' soldiers. They don't want any REMFs hanging around.”
REMFs are Rear Echelon Mother F*****s, the ones who served “in the rear with the gear”. To be more precise, they were the commanders who sent troops in harm’s way, often disastrously, without exposing themselves to danger. So no, I wasn't one of those and, in truth, there weren't many “rear areas” in Vietnam. Base camps, such as the one to which I was assigned, were located all over the countryside and every perimeter was a front line. Also, in addition to administrative duties, I was a platoon leader for the base camp security force inasmuch as I was a trained infantry officer. Thus, my real reason for not joining, I suppose, was that I never felt the need.
Things changed as news broke about the scandals within the Veterans Administration. As we learned of Veterans dying while languishing on secret waiting lists and other systemic failures, I decided that I had to do something. We were taught as Soldiers to take care of one another on the battlefield. How could we do any less in these circumstances?
I joined both the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars and attended a couple meetings for both. The VFW post in my community seemed better organized, and I began focusing my attentions there; however, I intend on devoting more time to the American Legion once I'm settled into the VFW.
We visit patients at the Veterans Hospital in Long Beach and the Navy Hospital near Camp Pendleton to cater events for them, sponsor student competitions and award prizes for scholarship, sanction Boy Scout units, and provide honor guards for Veterans' burials as well as community events. One of our most valuable services is helping Veterans apply for VA benefits and shepherding them through the red tape jungle. Like all other VFW posts, we contribute to our national organization and the homes they maintain for widows and orphans of Veterans who have fought in foreign wars.
I'm sure the activities vary from one post to another, but there hasn't been any drinking or smoking at mine (yet).
To be honest, there are a few WWII and Korean Veterans still hanging on, but Vietnam Veterans seem to predominate, at least among those who attend meetings. I'm especially happy to see younger veterans fresh from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq joining. Hopefully, we can help them network for education and job opportunities as they transition to civilian life. I certainly won't be displaying the behavior Vietnam Veterans experienced when they attempted to join, and I won't permit it to go unchallenged if others try.
Can you imagine my surprise?
I was fortunate that, when I completed my tour of duty in Vietnam, I was assigned to a post in Hawaii where there was little hostility between the military and civilian communities. Thus, I was spared the abuses that many Vietnam Veterans experienced on their return to CONUS (the Continental United States). I am appalled to learn that my comrades could not find sanctuary even among other veterans. It seems “The Greatest Generation” wasn't as great as I once believed.
On Veterans Day and Memorial Day over the years, as we passed Veterans soliciting donations in exchange for a “Buddy Poppy”, my wife would ask me, “Why don't you join?” I merely shrugged and replied, “Those organizations are for 'real' soldiers. They don't want any REMFs hanging around.”
REMFs are Rear Echelon Mother F*****s, the ones who served “in the rear with the gear”. To be more precise, they were the commanders who sent troops in harm’s way, often disastrously, without exposing themselves to danger. So no, I wasn't one of those and, in truth, there weren't many “rear areas” in Vietnam. Base camps, such as the one to which I was assigned, were located all over the countryside and every perimeter was a front line. Also, in addition to administrative duties, I was a platoon leader for the base camp security force inasmuch as I was a trained infantry officer. Thus, my real reason for not joining, I suppose, was that I never felt the need.
Things changed as news broke about the scandals within the Veterans Administration. As we learned of Veterans dying while languishing on secret waiting lists and other systemic failures, I decided that I had to do something. We were taught as Soldiers to take care of one another on the battlefield. How could we do any less in these circumstances?
I joined both the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars and attended a couple meetings for both. The VFW post in my community seemed better organized, and I began focusing my attentions there; however, I intend on devoting more time to the American Legion once I'm settled into the VFW.
We visit patients at the Veterans Hospital in Long Beach and the Navy Hospital near Camp Pendleton to cater events for them, sponsor student competitions and award prizes for scholarship, sanction Boy Scout units, and provide honor guards for Veterans' burials as well as community events. One of our most valuable services is helping Veterans apply for VA benefits and shepherding them through the red tape jungle. Like all other VFW posts, we contribute to our national organization and the homes they maintain for widows and orphans of Veterans who have fought in foreign wars.
I'm sure the activities vary from one post to another, but there hasn't been any drinking or smoking at mine (yet).
To be honest, there are a few WWII and Korean Veterans still hanging on, but Vietnam Veterans seem to predominate, at least among those who attend meetings. I'm especially happy to see younger veterans fresh from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq joining. Hopefully, we can help them network for education and job opportunities as they transition to civilian life. I certainly won't be displaying the behavior Vietnam Veterans experienced when they attempted to join, and I won't permit it to go unchallenged if others try.
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Responses: 202
I joined the VFW because of grandfather was involved, but have since stopped going, mostly due to cost.
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I have received several letters in the mail for both but have not signed up. Lately I thought about going to visit to see what it is all about. After reading this thread I definitely will check it out.
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SSG Ricardo Marcial
You would be welcomed at either Post. I don't think any member would deny you the right to sit in and share your story.
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SFC Thomas Howes
for the American legion you don't have to be a combat vet that is what I was told by a guy who was recruiting for them
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I am a life member of the VFW. My chapter is run predominantly from vietnam vets. I learn from them every event.
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No never saw the need!
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Maybe I should expand on that short answer, I know I'm not eligible to join the VFW and I'm not sure about the Legion, there were millions of us who served during Viet Nam and never saw combat. By 1970 everyone knew that you didn't want to get drafted so I enlisted rolled the dice and never served in combat and that seems to be the sticking point, those of us that didn't serve in combat seem to have our service devalued as if we are not really veterans, I've been told more than once that I wasn't a veteran. So I didn't see the need to join any organization when my service has already been devalued!
Sgt Dale Cusack
The American Legion does not require you to have been in combat, only to have served during a declared war time period. I understand the that some posts may have the wrong attitude but the legion as a whole would welcome you as a member.
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CPT Jack Durish
Joining a veteran's association isn't so much about our needs as it is about the needs of all veterans, especially in these times. Inasmuch as few of us as individuals can speak to our elected representatives let alone influence them (unless our visit is preceded by a sizable donation), associations have the mass of our votes and donations to get their attention and exert influence. But, even more important, working in concert, we can be more effective through outreach programs to help our fellow veterans. We served. We know that a team is far more effective than even the sum of its individual efforts.
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I belong to both the VFW and the American Legion and later the DAV. When I got out of the Army, I needed help with processing my claims and getting back and forth to the VA Hospital. I also felt out of place, the American Legion helped with my paperwork, the DAV gave me rides to the VA Hospital and the VFW had groups and activities for me to learn about adjusting to being back in civilian life.
It seemed only fair that I join them as a way of giving back. My dues help pay for services, and when I can I try to volunteer to help out so that others after me continue to have assistance. I don't understand soldiers who use the services but don't believe in supporting them with at least membership. The VFW by me has mostly 70-90 year old members, yet there are lots of younger veterans in the area that get support from them.
It seemed only fair that I join them as a way of giving back. My dues help pay for services, and when I can I try to volunteer to help out so that others after me continue to have assistance. I don't understand soldiers who use the services but don't believe in supporting them with at least membership. The VFW by me has mostly 70-90 year old members, yet there are lots of younger veterans in the area that get support from them.
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