Posted on Apr 8, 2015
Veterans: Have you joined the American Legion or VFW? Why or why not?
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As I wrote this, responses to that question were arriving every minute from the "Vietnam Veterans Only" group on Facebook. It seems my question hit a nerve. Take a look at a random sampling of the responses in the image...
Can you imagine my surprise?
I was fortunate that, when I completed my tour of duty in Vietnam, I was assigned to a post in Hawaii where there was little hostility between the military and civilian communities. Thus, I was spared the abuses that many Vietnam Veterans experienced on their return to CONUS (the Continental United States). I am appalled to learn that my comrades could not find sanctuary even among other veterans. It seems “The Greatest Generation” wasn't as great as I once believed.
On Veterans Day and Memorial Day over the years, as we passed Veterans soliciting donations in exchange for a “Buddy Poppy”, my wife would ask me, “Why don't you join?” I merely shrugged and replied, “Those organizations are for 'real' soldiers. They don't want any REMFs hanging around.”
REMFs are Rear Echelon Mother F*****s, the ones who served “in the rear with the gear”. To be more precise, they were the commanders who sent troops in harm’s way, often disastrously, without exposing themselves to danger. So no, I wasn't one of those and, in truth, there weren't many “rear areas” in Vietnam. Base camps, such as the one to which I was assigned, were located all over the countryside and every perimeter was a front line. Also, in addition to administrative duties, I was a platoon leader for the base camp security force inasmuch as I was a trained infantry officer. Thus, my real reason for not joining, I suppose, was that I never felt the need.
Things changed as news broke about the scandals within the Veterans Administration. As we learned of Veterans dying while languishing on secret waiting lists and other systemic failures, I decided that I had to do something. We were taught as Soldiers to take care of one another on the battlefield. How could we do any less in these circumstances?
I joined both the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars and attended a couple meetings for both. The VFW post in my community seemed better organized, and I began focusing my attentions there; however, I intend on devoting more time to the American Legion once I'm settled into the VFW.
We visit patients at the Veterans Hospital in Long Beach and the Navy Hospital near Camp Pendleton to cater events for them, sponsor student competitions and award prizes for scholarship, sanction Boy Scout units, and provide honor guards for Veterans' burials as well as community events. One of our most valuable services is helping Veterans apply for VA benefits and shepherding them through the red tape jungle. Like all other VFW posts, we contribute to our national organization and the homes they maintain for widows and orphans of Veterans who have fought in foreign wars.
I'm sure the activities vary from one post to another, but there hasn't been any drinking or smoking at mine (yet).
To be honest, there are a few WWII and Korean Veterans still hanging on, but Vietnam Veterans seem to predominate, at least among those who attend meetings. I'm especially happy to see younger veterans fresh from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq joining. Hopefully, we can help them network for education and job opportunities as they transition to civilian life. I certainly won't be displaying the behavior Vietnam Veterans experienced when they attempted to join, and I won't permit it to go unchallenged if others try.
Can you imagine my surprise?
I was fortunate that, when I completed my tour of duty in Vietnam, I was assigned to a post in Hawaii where there was little hostility between the military and civilian communities. Thus, I was spared the abuses that many Vietnam Veterans experienced on their return to CONUS (the Continental United States). I am appalled to learn that my comrades could not find sanctuary even among other veterans. It seems “The Greatest Generation” wasn't as great as I once believed.
On Veterans Day and Memorial Day over the years, as we passed Veterans soliciting donations in exchange for a “Buddy Poppy”, my wife would ask me, “Why don't you join?” I merely shrugged and replied, “Those organizations are for 'real' soldiers. They don't want any REMFs hanging around.”
REMFs are Rear Echelon Mother F*****s, the ones who served “in the rear with the gear”. To be more precise, they were the commanders who sent troops in harm’s way, often disastrously, without exposing themselves to danger. So no, I wasn't one of those and, in truth, there weren't many “rear areas” in Vietnam. Base camps, such as the one to which I was assigned, were located all over the countryside and every perimeter was a front line. Also, in addition to administrative duties, I was a platoon leader for the base camp security force inasmuch as I was a trained infantry officer. Thus, my real reason for not joining, I suppose, was that I never felt the need.
Things changed as news broke about the scandals within the Veterans Administration. As we learned of Veterans dying while languishing on secret waiting lists and other systemic failures, I decided that I had to do something. We were taught as Soldiers to take care of one another on the battlefield. How could we do any less in these circumstances?
I joined both the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars and attended a couple meetings for both. The VFW post in my community seemed better organized, and I began focusing my attentions there; however, I intend on devoting more time to the American Legion once I'm settled into the VFW.
We visit patients at the Veterans Hospital in Long Beach and the Navy Hospital near Camp Pendleton to cater events for them, sponsor student competitions and award prizes for scholarship, sanction Boy Scout units, and provide honor guards for Veterans' burials as well as community events. One of our most valuable services is helping Veterans apply for VA benefits and shepherding them through the red tape jungle. Like all other VFW posts, we contribute to our national organization and the homes they maintain for widows and orphans of Veterans who have fought in foreign wars.
I'm sure the activities vary from one post to another, but there hasn't been any drinking or smoking at mine (yet).
To be honest, there are a few WWII and Korean Veterans still hanging on, but Vietnam Veterans seem to predominate, at least among those who attend meetings. I'm especially happy to see younger veterans fresh from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq joining. Hopefully, we can help them network for education and job opportunities as they transition to civilian life. I certainly won't be displaying the behavior Vietnam Veterans experienced when they attempted to join, and I won't permit it to go unchallenged if others try.
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Responses: 202
Wow. I am so upset to hear so many Vietnam Veterans still feel they and their lives are not appreciated. I appreciate each and every veteran that have served and will serve, regardless of "era".
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CPT Jack Durish
It seems that most anti-military and anti-war protesters of that era have gone underground and some have even apologized. Still, it is surprising to meet those few who still harbor the old vendettas against us. Even sadder is that there are still WWII vets who look down upon Korean and Vietnam era vets. Most sad is that I have heard of some Korean and Vietnam era vets who are passing on the treatment they received to more recent vets from Afghanistan and Iraq (though these are extremely few - at least I hope they are).
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SPC Allison Joy Cumming
It is interesting. Some young veterans to not identify themselves as veterans because of just that. Beyond a shame. I think we should identify all that harbor ill will toward veterans and offer them a visa to the country of their choice (that will take them).
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SPC Allison Joy Cumming
CPL Doug Hill, no need to worry about not attending events. Your membership is very valuable to VSO organizations, strength in numbers! Most VSO's realize that you have to take care of you and home first! If they don't then you joined the wrong post/chapter etc. When you have time to participate they will be thrilled. Thank you for supporting the VSO's.
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I made a little visit to the McKinney VFW today. I could not leave without filling out the application.
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I am a member of the American Legion in my town. Yes we have the "bar flies" but we have many members that do many awesome things within the community, one of which is backpack buddies with the local elementary school down the street this program provides underprivileged children with food on the weekend and the Post collects can goods and such for it. Another member just hosted the welcome home Vietnam Veteran event which received high praises throughout the Legion and Vietnam Veteran groups.
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A main reason to join is to have camaraderie, whether your were on the front lines or not. The organizations are in serious need of a massive infusion of "new blood," because the old Soldiers, Airperson(s), Marines, and Sailors are dying off. By joining the organization, it gives the person and the organization an opportunity to collaborate.
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Joined both and served as the Commander of VFW Post 1 - the First Post - for 5 years. I'm proud to say we changed the image of our post as we have probably the largest number of women Veterans, a huge number of student Vets, have 50-50 members show up at our meetings and do a lot with the community. Both organizations are important - without them we would not have had the GI Bill or many other Veteran benefits.
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I am a Lifetime member of the VFW, past post and district commander. Now I work for them at the Department of Missouri level as a Veteran Service Officer at the local VA, helping our Nation's veterans get the benefits they deserve.
When I first joined 15 years ago, right after I retired, I was the young pup, now, I'm one of the old guys in the room, I think that there has been a real turn around in younger members joining. Membership is what you make of it.
When I first joined 15 years ago, right after I retired, I was the young pup, now, I'm one of the old guys in the room, I think that there has been a real turn around in younger members joining. Membership is what you make of it.
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LTC (Join to see)
What a great post! I hesitated to join for years, then I joined and was part of a group in my home town, but not where I lived. Over the past year I finally joined and have enjoyed being a part of it. I look forward to being a more active member in the next couple of years. The only reason I'm not right now is that I am involved in several other groups that are taking up a lot of time. I am so glad that I finally got involved and continue to learn about this great group of Military Leaders.
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I looked into both. My service was immediate post-Viet Nam (BTW I enlisted as a matter of familial obligation and pride). So both told me I could join as a "wanna be" but my service dates didn't allow me to be a full member. The basic message was that I could hang around as long as I kept quiet. Perhaps I may be forgiven if my......gratitude cup didn't exactly overflow at their offers........ Funny thing is, I still get regular solicitations in the mail to join. *grin* It was a bit ironic back then. The civilian world wanted nothing to do with vets and the veterans organizations wouldn't accept us either.
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CPT Jack Durish
This story often told is a blot on America and its veterans. It can only be eradicated by fixing the system, fixing the organizations, and again teaching our children to take pride in America and giving them a reason for that pride
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PO3 John Jeter
It's gratifying to see the up swelling of pride in our armed forces these days. Every time I attend a Patriot Guard function I see more and more evidence of it. Standing a flag line at a funeral home the other day for a Korean war veteran, a young man pulled in off the street and shook hands with each one of us, thanking us for our service. He then got back in his car and left. He didn't know the man who had died, he just wanted to pay respects to us. I have found notes left on my bike, thanking me for serving. We are a bit of a melting pot for the different veterans orgs. It's a bit of neutral ground without conflicting agendas. We're beginning to see a number of the younger veterans now. They're beginning to find out us "old farts" aren't so bad, and vice versa.....With any luck this will lead to a little better understanding between the various organizations.
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I've been a member at my local VFW post for about 7 months now and I really enjoy it. It's a small, close knit group of men and women who generally all get along. Since I have been a member, I have never been on the receiving end of any negative treatment from the older vets (except for the typical ball busting that is common with soldiers and vets), quite the opposite actually.
They all found it interesting that I was as enthusiastic about joining as I was and since I have been a member here, I have brought in several new members and have done as much as I can to enlighten the younger vets of a place for them to meet and establish good community ties with some really good people
They all found it interesting that I was as enthusiastic about joining as I was and since I have been a member here, I have brought in several new members and have done as much as I can to enlighten the younger vets of a place for them to meet and establish good community ties with some really good people
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