Posted on Apr 8, 2015
Veterans: Have you joined the American Legion or VFW? Why or why not?
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As I wrote this, responses to that question were arriving every minute from the "Vietnam Veterans Only" group on Facebook. It seems my question hit a nerve. Take a look at a random sampling of the responses in the image...
Can you imagine my surprise?
I was fortunate that, when I completed my tour of duty in Vietnam, I was assigned to a post in Hawaii where there was little hostility between the military and civilian communities. Thus, I was spared the abuses that many Vietnam Veterans experienced on their return to CONUS (the Continental United States). I am appalled to learn that my comrades could not find sanctuary even among other veterans. It seems “The Greatest Generation” wasn't as great as I once believed.
On Veterans Day and Memorial Day over the years, as we passed Veterans soliciting donations in exchange for a “Buddy Poppy”, my wife would ask me, “Why don't you join?” I merely shrugged and replied, “Those organizations are for 'real' soldiers. They don't want any REMFs hanging around.”
REMFs are Rear Echelon Mother F*****s, the ones who served “in the rear with the gear”. To be more precise, they were the commanders who sent troops in harm’s way, often disastrously, without exposing themselves to danger. So no, I wasn't one of those and, in truth, there weren't many “rear areas” in Vietnam. Base camps, such as the one to which I was assigned, were located all over the countryside and every perimeter was a front line. Also, in addition to administrative duties, I was a platoon leader for the base camp security force inasmuch as I was a trained infantry officer. Thus, my real reason for not joining, I suppose, was that I never felt the need.
Things changed as news broke about the scandals within the Veterans Administration. As we learned of Veterans dying while languishing on secret waiting lists and other systemic failures, I decided that I had to do something. We were taught as Soldiers to take care of one another on the battlefield. How could we do any less in these circumstances?
I joined both the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars and attended a couple meetings for both. The VFW post in my community seemed better organized, and I began focusing my attentions there; however, I intend on devoting more time to the American Legion once I'm settled into the VFW.
We visit patients at the Veterans Hospital in Long Beach and the Navy Hospital near Camp Pendleton to cater events for them, sponsor student competitions and award prizes for scholarship, sanction Boy Scout units, and provide honor guards for Veterans' burials as well as community events. One of our most valuable services is helping Veterans apply for VA benefits and shepherding them through the red tape jungle. Like all other VFW posts, we contribute to our national organization and the homes they maintain for widows and orphans of Veterans who have fought in foreign wars.
I'm sure the activities vary from one post to another, but there hasn't been any drinking or smoking at mine (yet).
To be honest, there are a few WWII and Korean Veterans still hanging on, but Vietnam Veterans seem to predominate, at least among those who attend meetings. I'm especially happy to see younger veterans fresh from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq joining. Hopefully, we can help them network for education and job opportunities as they transition to civilian life. I certainly won't be displaying the behavior Vietnam Veterans experienced when they attempted to join, and I won't permit it to go unchallenged if others try.
Can you imagine my surprise?
I was fortunate that, when I completed my tour of duty in Vietnam, I was assigned to a post in Hawaii where there was little hostility between the military and civilian communities. Thus, I was spared the abuses that many Vietnam Veterans experienced on their return to CONUS (the Continental United States). I am appalled to learn that my comrades could not find sanctuary even among other veterans. It seems “The Greatest Generation” wasn't as great as I once believed.
On Veterans Day and Memorial Day over the years, as we passed Veterans soliciting donations in exchange for a “Buddy Poppy”, my wife would ask me, “Why don't you join?” I merely shrugged and replied, “Those organizations are for 'real' soldiers. They don't want any REMFs hanging around.”
REMFs are Rear Echelon Mother F*****s, the ones who served “in the rear with the gear”. To be more precise, they were the commanders who sent troops in harm’s way, often disastrously, without exposing themselves to danger. So no, I wasn't one of those and, in truth, there weren't many “rear areas” in Vietnam. Base camps, such as the one to which I was assigned, were located all over the countryside and every perimeter was a front line. Also, in addition to administrative duties, I was a platoon leader for the base camp security force inasmuch as I was a trained infantry officer. Thus, my real reason for not joining, I suppose, was that I never felt the need.
Things changed as news broke about the scandals within the Veterans Administration. As we learned of Veterans dying while languishing on secret waiting lists and other systemic failures, I decided that I had to do something. We were taught as Soldiers to take care of one another on the battlefield. How could we do any less in these circumstances?
I joined both the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars and attended a couple meetings for both. The VFW post in my community seemed better organized, and I began focusing my attentions there; however, I intend on devoting more time to the American Legion once I'm settled into the VFW.
We visit patients at the Veterans Hospital in Long Beach and the Navy Hospital near Camp Pendleton to cater events for them, sponsor student competitions and award prizes for scholarship, sanction Boy Scout units, and provide honor guards for Veterans' burials as well as community events. One of our most valuable services is helping Veterans apply for VA benefits and shepherding them through the red tape jungle. Like all other VFW posts, we contribute to our national organization and the homes they maintain for widows and orphans of Veterans who have fought in foreign wars.
I'm sure the activities vary from one post to another, but there hasn't been any drinking or smoking at mine (yet).
To be honest, there are a few WWII and Korean Veterans still hanging on, but Vietnam Veterans seem to predominate, at least among those who attend meetings. I'm especially happy to see younger veterans fresh from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq joining. Hopefully, we can help them network for education and job opportunities as they transition to civilian life. I certainly won't be displaying the behavior Vietnam Veterans experienced when they attempted to join, and I won't permit it to go unchallenged if others try.
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Responses: 202
At one point I joined the American Legion via a national mail campaign. The first thing I received from my local chapter was a bill for chapter dues, not an invite to come down or a welcome to the fold. Soured me immediately. I quickly let that membership lapse. i also checked out a local VFW chapter, but it was nothing like my father's chapter. There was very little activity, no real facilities and I quickly lost interest.
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PO2 Kane McKee
I had the same.experience....wasn't interested then, but am now. Have no clue how to get invited again. The website doesn't have Desert Storm listed.
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PO1 Paul Lloyd
Kane, go to VFW.org and click the button, "find a Post" follow the prompts and it will get you to a local VFW Post and the contact info for the Post Commander and/or the Post Quartermaster. Any questions/concerns shoot me an email [login to see]
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I belong to both. I'm not a very active member of either, but understand their importance.
One of the most critical things that either entity does is represent US in the community. Most Americans no longer have any real exposure to us in our gated communities, and have shamefully outdated and inaccurate impressions of "the Veteran".
The comments about needing to adapt and embrace the post 9/11 generation are spot on as a result of the above.
Beyond being our "face", other critically important things they do, in no particular order (for the most part done by volunteers, mind you):
1) Their Service Officer Programs are designed to, and are very effective at, connecting Veterans, service members, and our families to benefits and assistance we already earned. Most of us have no idea it's out there, and are too stubborn to ask. A true lifeline in time of need.
2) Lobby for us. There's a LOT of be said when your organization has multiple million members on the books. Washington listens. As big a fan as I am of the professional organizations, their voices are simply not as loud in this venue. Much more effective in the "beans and bullets" conversations (Yes, I belong to MOAA, ROA, and just recalled I need to renew my AUSA membership).
3) Civic engagement. If you volunteered to serve (post draft), you answered a call. That all often extends to continuing to serve our communities. More opportunities here than you can shake a stick at.
One of the most critical things that either entity does is represent US in the community. Most Americans no longer have any real exposure to us in our gated communities, and have shamefully outdated and inaccurate impressions of "the Veteran".
The comments about needing to adapt and embrace the post 9/11 generation are spot on as a result of the above.
Beyond being our "face", other critically important things they do, in no particular order (for the most part done by volunteers, mind you):
1) Their Service Officer Programs are designed to, and are very effective at, connecting Veterans, service members, and our families to benefits and assistance we already earned. Most of us have no idea it's out there, and are too stubborn to ask. A true lifeline in time of need.
2) Lobby for us. There's a LOT of be said when your organization has multiple million members on the books. Washington listens. As big a fan as I am of the professional organizations, their voices are simply not as loud in this venue. Much more effective in the "beans and bullets" conversations (Yes, I belong to MOAA, ROA, and just recalled I need to renew my AUSA membership).
3) Civic engagement. If you volunteered to serve (post draft), you answered a call. That all often extends to continuing to serve our communities. More opportunities here than you can shake a stick at.
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SPC Dean J. Thompson
I am a member of many military Fraternities/Societies like the American Legion, Veterans of Foreign Wars, Disabled American Veterans, AMVETS, (40&8) La Société des Quarant Hommes et Huet Chevaux, 15th and 17th Infantry Regiment Associations, 2nd. Infantry Division Association and Society of the 3rd. Infantry Division. I have been active in only 2. In the American Legion I have worked my way up to 1st. District Commander and have held a few different Chairmanships. Still volunteer for things at all levels when needed. In the 40&8 I worked all the way up to Grande Chef de Gare (State President/Commander) and Cheminot Nationale (National Executive Committeeman) as well as a few different National Committees. It all gives me a sense of accomplishment because I'm giving to my fellow Veteran's and my community still.
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I have been a life member of the VFW since 92. Being a member of several different VFWs in both Arizona and Texas.
I never joined the American Legion because I do not agree that Cold War veterans are not eligible.
My brother served in Germany with the 8th ID and years In an MP reserves unit in New York State
I never joined the American Legion because I do not agree that Cold War veterans are not eligible.
My brother served in Germany with the 8th ID and years In an MP reserves unit in New York State
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CPT Jack Durish
SGM David W. Carr LOM, DMSM MP SGT - Why have I never before heard of any group of Harley owners that call themselves H.O.G.? Classic...
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MSG John Wirts
My father was a WWII pilot joined the VFW for about 5 years. I have not joined because I'm not eligible. I joined in 1962 at the time there was no recognized conflict. I ETS'd and joined the Air Guard, I was recognized later as a Vietnam Era Veteran, but I was never assigned to a combat theater, so I was awarded the NDSM, later in 1990, I was still a drilling Reservist so I got a second award of the NDSM. But I was never in a combat zone nor in combat. I am eligible for the American Legion, but not the VFW.
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Sgt Doug Willey
MSG John Wirts - CORRECT U NEED A CAMPAIGN MEDAL OR SERVE IN KOREA FOR 30 DAYS OR MORE
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I joined AMVETS because they are active with Elderly and Homeless Vets and they have a relay for Life team.
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PO3 Tracy Sefcik
I also am a lifetime member of AMVETS and enjoy them. I can't join the VFW for I never fought in a war. Many of my family members have and I have had a few that died in Action and one listed MIA in Korean War. However, I am only eligible for AMVETS, which I love!
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I have not joined, but after reading your post here might reconsider it. When last I visited, it was a smoky, dismal place. I chose instead to direct my time and energy toward helping the local Boy Scouts. (Smoking not permitted.)
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SSG Buddy Kemper
Both organizations do a lot for Vets in my area, so I'm a fan although I haven't joined. I plan to join both when time and commitments allow. I'm a lifetime member of the DAV, tho. They make it easy with their payment plan. To anyone who is service connected disabled, I recommend the DAV.
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Suspended Profile
I recently re-joined the American Legion. I had left both the legion and VFW for not feeling welcome when walking into a chapter. Both organizations tend to shun veterans who do not belong to their particular chapter. The chapters with bars in particular. I have seen people criticized on their service for not serving in the right conflict or the branch of service they were in. Both organizations tend to be more about money, dues, than actually welcoming new members.
Sgt Doug Willey
SO IT IS INTER SERVICE BANTER GET OVER IT LOOK MAT THE BIG PICTURE THESE ARE POEPL THEY DO NOT REPRESENT THE LEGION OR THE VFW AS A WHOLE TRUST NO ONE IS GOOD TO LOOK AFTER VETS AND THEIR BENEFITS UNLESS THEY ARE VETS IE AM LEGION VFW DAV PERIOD
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SFC William Farrell
Life member of VFW and the DAV. VFW membership was first given to me by my uncle when I had just returned from Vietnam. I used the DAV in processing my claims with VA. Never joined the Legion.
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I have belonged to the Marine Corps League, the VFW and the American Legion. For some reason, even though we have a LOT of Marine Corps Vets where I live, none are interested in joining the MCL. There are only a couple I know who have joined the VFW, and the American Legion seems to get a few new members now and then.
I joined the VFW because I am a veteran of Desert Shield/Storm. I left the organization after a couple of years when i realized all they wanted was money. I left the MCL because it seemed like a social club for officers and enlisted, even staff NCO's were treated the same way we were in the Corps, like second class citizens. I am an active member of the American legion because we do things in our hall. We sponsor Boys and Girls state, the legion baseball team, have dances, dinners and breakfasts. I throw an annual Superbowl party for all veterans and members of the post. It helps to have a kitchen, a private bar and a dance floor. I am working on getting younger veterans to join, but it's hard when the older vets have an issue with them. I have tried to get through to them but they don't get it. It's definitely a generational thing. I have been working on getting a pool table, electronic dart machines, and some BIG flat screen TVs so we can have open nights, like Monday/Thursday night football; order fights; Sunday football, and things other than square dances and sock hops. It seems like a fruitless battle.
I joined the VFW because I am a veteran of Desert Shield/Storm. I left the organization after a couple of years when i realized all they wanted was money. I left the MCL because it seemed like a social club for officers and enlisted, even staff NCO's were treated the same way we were in the Corps, like second class citizens. I am an active member of the American legion because we do things in our hall. We sponsor Boys and Girls state, the legion baseball team, have dances, dinners and breakfasts. I throw an annual Superbowl party for all veterans and members of the post. It helps to have a kitchen, a private bar and a dance floor. I am working on getting younger veterans to join, but it's hard when the older vets have an issue with them. I have tried to get through to them but they don't get it. It's definitely a generational thing. I have been working on getting a pool table, electronic dart machines, and some BIG flat screen TVs so we can have open nights, like Monday/Thursday night football; order fights; Sunday football, and things other than square dances and sock hops. It seems like a fruitless battle.
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I joined my local VFW, Daniel Boone Post 5578 in Madison WV., Feb 2014. I had a few older members that talked big. But I did not lose my cool I just listened and tolled them what is expected from todays troops. A few still don't get a clue but I ignore them. But most where really happy to see me, and by June that year the Jr. Vice Commander position opened and I was nominated and voted in office. This year im Jr. Vice again. We don't have a Canteen so no drinking all we do is community related, from handing out food baskets during the Holidays, Honor Guard, Parades, Talking at School's, helping with just about anything that people request us for. I just cant get any younger Vet's to join there is just 2 of us. All they think is we sit around and get drunk.
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Now I like that kind of involvement doing something positive because I don't drink and I don't smoke. Keep up the good work Christian
CPT Jack Durish
Keep it up. Some vets (like some of just about every other group) are good for nothing more than to be merely tolerated
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