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Command Post What is this?
Posted on Jan 19, 2016
COL Sam Russell
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LTC Ed Ross
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Had Abrams taken command in the beginning instead of Westmirland the outcome of the war would have been different.
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I think it would have been provided it was not driven by hindsight. This book explores that line of thinking and makes many compelling cases. https://www.amazon.com/gp/kindle/kcp/tos.html
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SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM
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The War surely would have been different with General Abrams!
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COL Charles Williams
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Excellent post! COL Sam Russell
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Westmoreland versus Abrams, a study in Mission Command
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Westmoreland built an amazingly flexible system to support rapid deployment of force to a modern asymmetrical battlefield. Where he failed was in overstating and underdelivering. Ultimately, I still believe that his was the best strategy. Abrams and Vietnamization was the precursor of nation building and we know how well that works, don't we? As cited in the article, we will never know for certain which strategy would have worked best since both were abandoned before they could prove themselves. It is another succinct lesson in the age old adage that man proposes and politicians dispose (or something like that)
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SPC Jeff Daley, PhD
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Neither Westmoreland nor Abrams could ultimately be successful. Heavy control was in effect by the armchair warriors in Washington.

Johnson relied heavily on McNamara and other civilian advisers like Walt Rostow for policy advice and implementation, marginalizing the Joint Chiefs of Staff. This allowed Johnson to limit dissent and public scrutiny of the emerging Vietnam policy before the 1964 election.

After winning the 1964 election, Johnson continued to hold the Joint Chiefs at a distance, meeting with them rarely and instead consulting with civilian authorities like McNamara. This further consolidated Johnson and McNamara's control over the war effort.

The ROEs insanely placed our military at risk and were a direct cause of KIA.

ARIAL ROE
Secretary McNamara with the approval of Johnson implemented a policy of non-engagement of Russian ground-to-air missiles in North Vietnam. SAM sites could only be attacked if they attacked first.[2]

The ROEs were set by the President and Secretary of Defense - For the air war, pilots could not attack targets that were not on the approved list. Hanoi and Haiphong had 30-mile "no bombing" perimeters, and a 30-mile buffer zone extended along the northern border with China. Certain targets like rail yards, airfields, SAM sites, locks, dams, and hydroelectric plants were off-limits or could only be attacked under specific conditions.

Pilots had to follow specified routes and could face court-martial for disobeying, allowing North Vietnam to concentrate anti-aircraft defenses along those routes. In Laos and North Vietnam, military trucks could only be attacked if they were on a road and displayed hostile intent. Trucks in parking areas more than 200 meters from a road could not be attacked.

The ROEs often contradicted standard military procedures and gave the enemy opportunities to operate with relative safety, frustrating U.S. troops and hampering the effectiveness of the air campaign.

GROUND TROOPS

Troops were often only allowed to attack after being attacked first, even if an imminent assault was likely. This cost many American lives and gave the enemy opportunities to operate safely. Cambodia and Laos were off-limit by McNamara making these safe jumping-off locations for the enemy.

Artillery, a key tool for U.S. forces, was often prohibited from being used in certain areas like the Michelin rubber tree plantation, which the North Vietnamese quickly exploited.

Until the strategies are set by civilians & the CIC, and the military is allowed to bring tactics to bear to meet that strategy we continue to see our military men and women take more KIA and WIA then is necessary. The CIC must set the strategies, give the military what is needed to meet or exceed the strategies, and then take care of those that make it home without discussion of cost to rehabilitate or remedy injuries be they physical or mental.

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1. warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/rules-of-engagement-gis-had-to-follow-vietnam-war.html
2. charliecompany.org/2018/08/01/the-rules-of-engagement/

COL Sam Russell LTC Ed Ross COL Charles Williams CPT Jack Durish Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
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I remember those air ROEs well. Can't tell you the number of times we walked out of pre mission briefings shaking our heads. Between SAC and the things coming out of DC our B-52 missions were essentially your local bus route.
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1LT Gerald O'Hare
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I disagree with everyone posting. The Generals did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. The American People simply did not support the war and certainly did not support the troops. For example Jane Fonda committed actual treason and was never charged with a crime even to this day. The rich were able to avoid the draft and those with political influence never saw combat. It was a low point for the American people and government. We combat soldiers found ourselves tens of thousands of miles from home with little support. We never lost a battle and still we were abandoned by Congress, the media and the American people. Never ever force us into a war that the American people won't support. That is the lesson of Vietnam.
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SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM
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Abrams was better at this?
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