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Posted on Jul 24, 2015
PO2 Todd Voge
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SrA Daniel Hunter
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1. It doesn't really matter where you drop Airborne.

2. Overwhelming force is overwhelming.
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CPT Jack Durish
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What I learned from studying D-Day is that Patton was right: Fortifications are monuments to man's stupidity. Look at the Germans.They captured France despite the vaunted Maginot Line and we took it back despite the vaunted Atlantic Wall. (It also appears to prove that we learn better from our failures than from our successes) It's likely that Germany could have repelled the D-Day invasion had they relied on well-placed and well-commanded fast response reserves rather than concrete emplacements.
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CPT Jack Durish
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GySgt John Olson - Sounds smart to me
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Yes and no, the problem with both the Maginot line and the Fortress Europa concept was there was no defense in depth. Fortifications delay, not stop.
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MSG Brad Sand
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There is more than can be listed without bring down the server. I think we need to look at our success and failures. Macro and micro. I think in many ways, we need to consider how lucky the Allies were and what could have happened if the Germans had hit the landing beaches early and hard? Waiting to get a clear picture in warfare is not going to happen and waiting only gives the bad guys more time to better their position.
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SGT William Howell
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MSG Brad Sand I don't think any of us will ever know the entire story and have no way to really find out. I do think even the British were a bit surprised at the way it turned out. I am sure we both agree that we are lucky it went the way it did. My German is horrible and I would hate to have to try and speak it all the time.
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MSG Brad Sand
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SGT William Howell

While my German is probably not any better, it is what it is. I think, IF we had not entered the war, or lost the war, there would be a much bigger call to learn German. When I was in Germany, everyone could speak some English...well almost everyone. It is my guess, those in the Eastern part of the reunited Germany can speak Russian.
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SGT William Howell
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I had went to Prague with a friend of mine who immigrated from the Ukraine as a child from Chernobyl. I thought we were going to be golden since he spoke fluent Russian. Almost nobody spoke Russian with the exception of a few taxi drivers who were actually Russian. Turns out Polish and Czech are close and I was able to communicate better with my limited Polish than he was. Still most everyone under the age of 30 spoke English as well as several other languages just not Russian. I think it was by choice more than anything.
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Could have lost it all if not for Mrs Rommel needing a Paris Orignial
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What We Can Learn From D-Day
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The absolute bravery of our infantry can not be denied as they fought German infantry and a Panzer division. One regiment had a few hundred people after rescuing a surrounded Infantry Battalion.
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MAJ Ken Landgren
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A Panzer division counterattacking made it very ugly against our infantry. Desert Storm ground attack was heavily based on Armor.
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LTC Bink Romanick
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PO2 Todd Voge We learned that our recon platforms (C4ISR) and weapons systems would defeat an invasion force before it arrived at the waters edge. An operation this size couldn't be successful given current capabilities and weapons systems.
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MAJ Ken Landgren
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We learned that naval fire and planes were ineffective at destroying key defenses like bunkers. The principle of Unity of Command worked well as Eisenhower had the rank to plan and execute his plan despite narcissistic 3-4 star generals.
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PO2 Todd Voge
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LTC Chad Storlie , EXCELLENT article! Points are very well taken and very much on the money in regards to business. I'm an Adjunct at Concordia University, St. Paul in the Information Technology program. I bring a lot of the leadership qualities I learned in the Navy to the classroom, as many of the examples are very pertinent to what our business leaders should develop. Thanks for sharing the article.
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Capt Walter Miller
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Rolling the Air Corps guys out of the rack at Midnight with a 3AM take off was a reeeeeeeeeeeally bad idea. Had they delayed H-hour to 0800 or 0900 and had the bombers fly down the beach instead of perpendicular to it after daylight, then the Infantry might have had a walk over.

The attack at Omaha was just about a debacle.

1. The naval gunfire didn’t work. All the spotter planes were shot down by friendly fire.
2. The air bombing was a bust, falling mostly beyond the beach.
3. The rocket-firing LCIs were ineffective.
4. And for the cherry on top, the DD tanks foundered or were mostly destroyed by German fire.

A couple of things intervened to save the day at Omaha.

1. US Navy destroyers, which were posted 7-9 miles from the beach as an anti-German boat defense were brought right down to the shore and lit up the German bunkers with their 5 in/38’s.
2. The Germans began to run out of ammo of all types about mid-day.

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Five in/38 mount.
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Col Lyman Faith
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Weather over Omaha was also a factor. The heavies (B-17s and B-24s) were required to bomb visually. A fog or mist over the beach obscured visibility. They held their bomb loads until well in-land to prevent hitting the landing force and missed beach fortifications.
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Capt Walter Miller
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That's right Col. Faith. Just a 10-20 second delay and they missed the beach. By this time the 8th AF had been using the RAF radar bombing aid for about 6 months. The Americans called it "Mickey", short for 'Mickey Mouse' i.e. Mickey Mouse sh!t. The invasion beaches were not a suitable radar target. You definitely wanted eyes on friendlies. There was no undercast for the bombers, but they were trying to bomb visually right at dawn.

The Brits did a lot of things well and one thing they made a point to do was to shoot down any German weather recon planes. These had to fly to the northwest - that is where the weather patterns form. And this was the reason we had a better weather forecast than the Germans. Theirs showed unbroken bad weather on 6/6/44. That is why Rommel felt secure in driving back to Germany. That was his wife's birthday.

He brought her some nice shoes from Paris.

Walt
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Capt Walter Miller
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Now that i think about it, the beach might have been a pretty good radar target. The equipment could identify coast lines pretty well. But the USAAF wanted to do "Daylight Precision Bombing." They should have a later H-hour and the B-17s and B-24s might have totally wrecked the German defenses.

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MAJ Ken Landgren
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Get our tanks in the fight faster. Better intelligence on the movement of German Divisions.
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