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Posted on Dec 29, 2014
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PO1 Greg Palmer
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We were those newly minted troops once too, brother. I remember brand new FC3 Ray and E-fuzzy Palmer who had a lot of growing up to do. We did have a lot better upbringing than this troop you're talking about.

I had a kid like that. His name was Downer and this kid would work all day in the 140 degree Western Afghanistan heat, then play video games till 1 or 2 am and then get in his rack, wake up at 5 am and do it all over again without showering or changing his uniform. It was so bad that he had little red bumps all over his body.

He kind of came around towards the end of deployment but we put shower watches on him and gave him that "tough love" but that really didn't work. I kind of took him and just kind of went about it from a more gentle approach and that worked much better.

My point is that every troop is different so us as leaders, it our job to learn our troops and in that we will know how to better approach a situation. Whether the coddle method or a tougher approach. They all react differently. That's just the two cents of a dusty Seabee.
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1SG Harold Piet
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I worked as a teen, I had chores growing up, but when I joined at 17, I was so green at being adult. Thank God I had great leaders in my platoon. They were always available for questions or just to sit and talk about things. as for the Money management, I learned the hard way just like most. Sometimes still learning. We cannot, in the ranks, teach them everything about money management but a good leader can do a lot without formal classes.
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SPC Dennis Kregel
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It's funny, I felt much of this in BCT. I "celebrated" my 21st birthday in basic and instantly became our platoon guide. I normally spent an additional 2-3 hours a night following up on the subpar troopers in the platoon every night on everything from missing home to lacing their boots.

Now just to date myself a bit I never wore a reflective belt in PT but we did still do rifle PT in basic so I cant even imagine how leaders are dealing with today's "troops" with stress cards, no swearing, cell phones in the barracks.......
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MAJ L. Nicholas Smith
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I was blessed as a young infantryman to have NCOs who were in about every aspect of my business. While I was reluctant to listen at times which is common at that age, I had discipline to follow not only their orders but advice as well. I didn't want them to be disappointed. Those NCOs set me on a good path and all these years later I hope there are NCOs out there in the force knee deep in their soldier's business today.
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PO1 Donald Hammond
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Let me point you to the other side of this argument. The civilian side. What about the kids that do NOT join the military? Do they have anybody teaching them these types of things? No. If they go to college many of them will learn the same things young military people learn. How to party.

So let us look at why it is important for the military to take these wet behind the ears brats and make an adult out of them. Teamwork. If you are in a life and death situation you don't want a person whose only experience is video games backing you up. You don't want them running from trouble. The leaders in the military have to be able to take these kids with oatmeal for brains and make them into a cohesive fighting unit. They may never see bullets flying but they may see a communications system crash and have to get it back up in support of those boots on the ground.

On submarines we were taught how to hang up our poopy suit (submarine coveralls) in such a way that we could be out of the rack and into our clothes and at our battle station in 9 nano seconds (or maybe a bit more). We were taught to keep things clean and stowed so if we took a steep angle that coffee cup didn't become a deadly missile. These things converted to life at home.

When we pulled into foreign ports like the Philippines the leadership had to take the new kids and tell them "DON'T GET MARRIED". Yet some still did. The girls there were trained on how to snag a sailor for a husband.

But in the end you can only do so much for them.
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SGT Dental Specialist
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This post is so true. I agree with this.
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SSG Human Resources Specialist
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I remember being that kid fresh out of basic training. I had a few sour apples for leaders that simply yelled and scolded me, but the ones that mentored me and helped me learn and grow are the ones that will stick in my mind forever.
I've tried to model myself after those leaders and help new troops develop in to a Soldier that demonstrates great potential. Some are challenging, but those are usually the ones that provide the greatest reward!
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CPT Jack Durish
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The military has been teaching life skills to recruits since time immemorial. To be honest, it's far easier to mold a "snot-nosed kid" into a good soldier/sailor/Marine/airman than to transform someone older. Frankly, I never made it. I was a law school graduate before I enlisted. My age and education cowed drill sergeants. Even my Tactical Officer at Infantry OCS deferred to me. As a result, I remained pretty much the arrogant bastard I was when I joined. I never mastered the chain of command. Sure I got things done. In fact, senior officers loved to turn me loose on a problem (I suppose to see how many company-grade and lower field-grade officers I would piss off). It was no surprise when I was RIFF'd. The medals that the generals pinned on me bore little weight against my poor Officer Efficiency Reports.

No, be happy with the "snot-nosed kids". Mold them into men and women who will serve well.
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SSG Dave Rogers
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While I know that soldiers need respect and to be somewhat independent I think the military should bring back things like daily inspections.

But also there should be programs to prepare soldiers for reality of life away from home, and learning personal development. I know that leaders are not parents, but when soldiers get in over their heads it is hard for them to think about their jobs when they are worried about losing their jobs.

I got lucky when I came in I have a squad leader that was a great mentor. At first I thought he was a jerk. He did not allow new soldiers in his squad to have a car until they passed military drivers training, he had all of us sit down and go over our spending, and had us meet him at the chow hall for progress reports during all meals. Six months after being in most soldiers in other squads had no money saved, spent too much on cars and eating out. He took me to get a reasonable car, helped me save money, and taught me to eat right. Because of his training I live a life with very little debt, and when I was waiting on my medical from the army I was able to live off the savings I had as I was unable to work for a long time.
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SSG Assistant Operations Nco
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Good Post SSG Ray, I wholeheartedly agree with the point you are trying to make. To be a leader you must always be enagaged with your soldiers. If you are not willing to do this then why are you a leader? Glad to see there is still some good NCO leadership in the Army today.
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