Posted on Oct 24, 2017
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I deal with cadets a lot, and they insist they out "rank" every NCO in the army. My usual response is somewhere around the guides of "uh-huh." Can I get some clarity of this?
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SGT Dave Tracy
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Yes, but...
(always a good start to a story)

If you want to have a good time, grab you some popcorn, have a seat, and watch what happens when a know-it-all cadet tries to tell a battle-hardened Infantry Platoon Sergeant what's-what. Having watched that show before, I can tell you, that's some good entertainment!
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PO2 Edward Pate
PO2 Edward Pate
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SN Marc Ramos - Your mistake was sending him to the XO for that! LOL Should have sent him down the fireroom for a BT punch!
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CPT Lawrence Cichelli
CPT Lawrence Cichelli
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SGT, I never saw this nor has it happened to me. As a Cadet, I had enough sense not "get into it" with a senior NCO, unless that person was doing something terribly wrong, never happened. As a senior NCO, well E-8 stripes probably made Cadets think twice before doing something silly. When pointing out mistakes made by Cadets, I went into mentor mode to make my point and they never questioned it.
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LT Stewart Herrick
LT Stewart Herrick
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In point of fact, a shavetail Lt does not outrank a battle hardened Platoon Sgt.
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SFC Charles McVey Sr.
SFC Charles McVey Sr.
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LTC John Bush - I am about to really get some folks up set, in all my years of service I never, ever met a ring knocking cadet that could function at the level of a good CPL. Most ROTC Cadets had the good since to understand that their two weeks with the Regular Army was a learning experience, West Pointers on the other hand were under the impression that they knew everything there was to know. My favorite ploy was to give the a squad and let them fall flat on their face during tactical operations training. I got my butt chewed by my CO on more then one occasion for doing it, but then I would ask him what he would suggest, he said back off and let him try his book learning with a full platoon and stand ready to take over before he gets anyone hurt. I worked that one and the West Pointer learned a very hard lesson. Fortunately I never met him after he was commissioned I am sure he was not happy being allowed to look like an idiot.
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SGT Eliyahu Rooff
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I'd love to see one try pulling rank on a CSM. The show would be well worth the price of admission.
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1SG Patricia Jones
1SG Patricia Jones
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You will find that Cadets are very receptive and willing to learn, Generally there should be no issues if they are being trained in the roll they will serve. With that said, if you treat them the way that Non Commissioned Officers expect them to be treated then its a non issue. This is the time to groom them and explain to them the relationship between NCO'S and Officers. Let them make there mistakes in the learning environment and not after the sit to counsel that new Platoon Sergeant with 15 years and a few combat tour.
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CPT Michael Moyers
CPT Michael Moyers
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I got to see a 2LT tell a crusty, terminally pissed off S3 SGM to “assume the position.” I was a young PFC and I have very distinct memories of Captains grabbing lower enlisted and dragging us out of the building while they screamed in terror.
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SFC Charles McVey Sr.
SFC Charles McVey Sr.
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PVT Raymond Lopez - You never screw with Medics, Finance, Personnel, or the Military Police as those four MOS's can make your life a living hell, and the BN CSM, BDE CSM, DIV CSM and last but not least the Garrison CSM will always back up those four.
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SSG Mike Scott
SSG Mike Scott
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Not today’s CSM. All the CSM’s in the last few years are spineless as jelly.
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SGM Erik Marquez
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Edited >1 y ago
SGT (Join to see) See AR 600-20 table 1-1
You will find Academy Cadets and Senior ROTC cadets are in precedence between Warrant officers and NCO.
Generally a Senior ROTC cadet is a 3rd or 4th year scholarship contracted cadet.
So a 1st and 2nd year non contracted cadets have no rank as it applies to service members.

Though in the Cadet command and working with them, we commonly referred to all cadets as "sir" or "Ma'am" Or "Cadet Name"
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PFC John Roscoe
PFC John Roscoe
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SSgt Randy Waters - didn`t get commissioned?
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SFC Cynthia Eyer
SFC Cynthia Eyer
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They hold NO RANK other than Cadet, which is a title given to tell everyone else what school they are attending. It does not intel a rank nor affords them any authority under UCMJ. None. Zilch. Nada.
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SFC Wilfredo Ramos
SFC Wilfredo Ramos
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SFC Cynthia Eyer - According to the Manual for Courts-Martial “Cadet” means a cadet of the United States Military Academy, the United States Air Force Academy, or the United States Coast Guard Academy. And yes they are subject to UCMJ. Just for information
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LTJG Richard Bruce
LTJG Richard Bruce
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SFC Cynthia Eyer - Academy Cadets/Midshipman take an oath of office, the same oath as commissioned officers. Academy Cadets are on continuous active duty.
Legal status of ROTC students get complicated since they are not full time active duty. The UCMJ's "Conduct unbecoming an officer" apply to Cadets. Cadets are "ranked" between Warrant Officers and Chief Warrant Officers. The reason for this is that Chief Warrant Officers are commissioned by the President. Warrant Officers are commissioned by the service secretary. Cadets hold an "office" granted by the President. USCG, USN, and USAF do not have Warrant Officers.
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