Posted on Oct 24, 2017
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I deal with cadets a lot, and they insist they out "rank" every NCO in the army. My usual response is somewhere around the guides of "uh-huh." Can I get some clarity of this?
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SGT Dave Tracy
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Yes, but...
(always a good start to a story)

If you want to have a good time, grab you some popcorn, have a seat, and watch what happens when a know-it-all cadet tries to tell a battle-hardened Infantry Platoon Sergeant what's-what. Having watched that show before, I can tell you, that's some good entertainment!
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Maj A. Clark
Maj A. Clark
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One way to look at the question: Does an ROTC cadet gain time in service while a cadet in college? NO. Do they advance in time in rank? NO. Do they yet hold a commission? NO.... In the old British and US Navy in sailing days, they had Midshipmen aboard ship for years ( usually starting as juveniles) as they worked their way into a full time commission. It was On the job training. Of course they were all the sons of aristocrats and blue-bloods, who bought their commissions. However those days have long since passed.
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SSG William Kimbrell
SSG William Kimbrell
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LCpl Steve Mannon - Sir with all due respect ,I do not buy it.However let me put my doubt in perspective . I was a Drill Sgt at Ft Jackson 1975-1978.I did not give any crap nor did I take it.I was there to provide guidance and teach. I got rid of those with bad attitudes , graduated those that were quality men.No games.
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Frank Godek
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MAJ (Join to see) - Depends on whether they are ROTC or Academy. At least back in the '80s, USMA Cadets, USAFA Cadets, and USNA Midshipman had an official rank above the highest enlisted grade and below the lowest warrant officer grade. I believe this applied to ROTC cadets in their junior and senior years as well.
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SSG James Shelton
SSG James Shelton
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I encountered this same thing with an ROTC observer on my track but we had an evaluator with us, the rotc cadet started trying to tell us how to deploy our weapons and the nco evaluator told him to observe and called him a rotsey boy it was a sight to see.
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SGT Eliyahu Rooff
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I'd love to see one try pulling rank on a CSM. The show would be well worth the price of admission.
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SSgt Carrie Foster Campbell
SSgt Carrie Foster Campbell
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My dad was a CSM while stationed at USMA, (I was a teenager) like someone mentioned it was a great show, the initial reaction of any cadets that were invited to our house for dinner or any time our family mingle with an unknown cadet they were shaking in their in their shoes. Not one dare to say they outranked my dad. Here is a pic of my dad when he was on active duty and a pic of my family I'm the one in AF uniform
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CH (MAJ) David Coram - I definitely hope this young Cadet learned his lesson from a Chief Warrant Officer. I would have the same thing if I was put in that position.
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I’d pay for that show
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I actually pulled that with a CSM when I was a 2LT. However, I had been enlisted for more than a decade and was an E7 when I got commissioned. pick your battles and if you are right, you are right regardless of rank.
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SGM Erik Marquez
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SGT (Join to see) See AR 600-20 table 1-1
You will find Academy Cadets and Senior ROTC cadets are in precedence between Warrant officers and NCO.
Generally a Senior ROTC cadet is a 3rd or 4th year scholarship contracted cadet.
So a 1st and 2nd year non contracted cadets have no rank as it applies to service members.

Though in the Cadet command and working with them, we commonly referred to all cadets as "sir" or "Ma'am" Or "Cadet Name"
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CWO3 Sr.Vsr San Diego County Veterans Office,Retired & Cwo3, Usmc, (Ret.)
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Interesting thought. Cadets rank without the authority of being a Commission Officer by the President of the United States. I hardly agree, but I didn’t get to serve at any Academy because I was serving in the Fleet and not in the rear. No pup intended.
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SFC Jack McCarthy
SFC Jack McCarthy
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I remember running into a Cadet in the commissary parking lot of Ft. Hood as a newly promoted SGT (E-5) and being asked by it "Why didn't you salute me?" I looked at that silver circle on it's hat and stated that I saluted bars, stars, leaves and birds. But had never seen circles on a rank chart. Therefor I would not be saluting him nor anyone else wearing circles until someone showed me a new rank chart where circles were included as a rank that deserved my salute. He stood there with an open mouth, and I continued on with my business. A couple days later the post paper had an article in it explaining that the post was "Hosting" the cadets and that the post commander was "requesting that the enlisted personnel extend the courtesy of saluting to them, so that they would get the full experience of being officers...Our CO thought it was hilarious to see his soldiers "Spread out to about 8 paces" and catch a cadet in the open and wear their arms out.
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MSG Dan Kilpatrick
MSG Dan Kilpatrick
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SGM Erik Marquez - I agree with the table and it does seem to indicate a precedence. I'm still a little fuzzy as it specifies the grades are in order, so everyone is special is the same? However, looking under UCMJ, it is not very clear as a cadet is neither commissioned, warrant, nor non-commissioned. And the whole policy of not actually being able to be in command of anything as you have previously mentioned. UCMJ has different punishments for failing to follow orders, depending on who gave the order. I couldn't find failing to follow a cadets order anywhere.
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CPL Michael Headrick
CPL Michael Headrick
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I had to help train them back at Ft Riley Camp Warrior every summer. Never seen one try to pull rank on us grunts.
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