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SSG Michael Hartsfield
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He was damned if he did and damned if he didn't. Should he have said something about it? Maybe but then again, hindsight's always 20/20
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SSG Michael Hartsfield
SSG Michael Hartsfield
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LTC (Join to see) - So if it something like this came to light in your presidency and your revealing this would influence the election and you would be held accountable for it, you would do it? It's easy to play armchair quarterback, especially after the fact. It's something completely different on the field
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LTC Laborer
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SSG Michael Hartsfield - You've misread my post. I am challenging those offering the "damned either way" excuse. He may have done precisely the right thing ... I don't know.
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LTC (Join to see) - How would revealing this information then have made any real difference other than throwing further turmoil into the election? Trump already complained that the process was rigged.That's probably because he and a lot of other people believed that Clinton was going to win. Obama made his decision and it is what it is.
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LTC Laborer
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SSG (Join to see) - You are invited to read my reply to SSG Michael Hartsfield - same answer. I don't know up from down on whether Obama did right, wrong, or somewhere in the middle. My criticism is of the use of "damned either way" excuse being proffered. THAT is insulting to Obama since it suggests that what he did or didn't do was motivated by how he would look, not what was right for the country.
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MAJ James Woods
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Truth is when you ask Obama critics, GOP supporters, Conservatives, and Trump supporters they all tend to flip flop with their answers as long as it means blaming Obama and his administration. They'll disregard any notion the GOP senior leadership dismissed any national security concerns and would push any "election is being rigged" commentary. One way or the other, our country has faced a serious partisan divide for 10 years now and it's not getting better anytime soon.
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Capt Dwayne Conyers - Oh God if Powell had ran I may have voted for him too not because he was Black but he was someone I admired. I read his autobiography and it resonated with me because he had much in common with my relatives and just people I knew growing up. He understood politics and how dirty it is which in my opinion is one of the main reasons he never ran. I discovered also that after Colin Powell endorsed President Obama many white conservatives were quick to pull out the race card and claim he only voted for Obama because of his color. That irks the shit out of me. If skin color was the only thing that mattered to Black voters Herman Cain would've been a front runner instead of....never mind.
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SSgt Christopher Brose
SSgt Christopher Brose
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MAJ James Woods - I think most of the Russia stuff is based on vapor, and maybe some bad pizza... and Trump getting elected, of course. I'm no Obama fan, but I don't fault him for not saying anything. If the Russia story against Trump is little more than media hysteria, and there's no real substance, then what is Obama supposed to have warned us about?
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MAJ James Woods
MAJ James Woods
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SSgt Christopher Brose - Of course you think it's vapor. Doesn't matter how many collaborating intelligence reports from various agencies (U.S. and allies) on American citizens not named "Trump", it's all fake news.
For starters, after briefing the Gang of 8 (senior members of Congress from both parties) it should have been easy for a non-partisan effort to consider our national security was being attacked by an organized foreign operation. Would've been fair for all of them to stand together and acknowledge to the public that they have evidence that cyber attacks directed towards our election process is real, we should remain vigilant and know we are taking measures to ensure the integrity of our elections and the American people. That would've addressed Trump's "rigged" accusations and displayed a united front in our government. Instead, we got the opposite, further display of divide in our government even when it came to national security.
You can keep calling it "the Russia story against Trump", but what we should be talking about is the foreign attack on our democracy that isn't going to stop with the 2016 election now they've seen how effective it was. But do keep making it all about Trump.
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SSgt Christopher Brose
SSgt Christopher Brose
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MAJ James Woods - I just think there are too many holes in the story overall to overcome my skepticism, and the media anti-Trump hysteria has locked in my cynicism.
But the point of my post was not to try to convince you of my point of view. The point of my post was that I'm not flipping the story and hammering Obama with it. Since you mentioned that in your first post, I just thought it might be of interest to you.
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SSG Warren Swan
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What side do you want to hear? CIA made it for eyes only and only four individuals knew about it. He went from next to nothing to far extremes of making a cyberattack against their infrastructure. In the end, he did the expulsion of "diplorats", and added sanctions. He briefed the incoming who swears he had NO CLUE this was happening while his future NSA was running the gums with them. What could he have done that wouldn't have been UN-done along with everything else he had in place? What would folks like him to do? Invade em, do a cyberattack on them knowing they have China to back them up? Send SF? How about the SEALS? Make another tell all book, movie, and CoD Invading Russia? In the limited time he had, he did what he could right or wrong, and passed the ball where it was intercepted by the defense (USSR) in collusion with the incoming.
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LTC David Brown
LTC David Brown
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"In collusion with the incoming". Any proof of that?
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SSG Warren Swan
SSG Warren Swan
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Simple yes or no....
1. Did Trump not become president?
2. Does the incoming not get briefings on current intelligence from the currents intel shops?
3. Does the incoming have to acknowledge this?

If Obama and Trump attended these briefings, anything done would be in collusion with. You could take that as a negative, say I used the incorrect word and shoot holes in my verbiage, but it does not take away that both knew, both acted in different ways and the incoming knew what the score was and wanted to make it "easier" for them.
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