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Posted on Apr 3, 2025
Can my Army Reserve unit put my name on the deployment list after my ETS date?
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They can put your name on a roster.
They cannot deploy you unless you voluntarily extend for the deployment, or they get a waiver approved from the OSD, because they cannot find another 88N2O anywhere in the USAR, and that's not realistic.
Just to clarify, is your ETS prior to the deployment date, or during the deployment?
They cannot deploy you unless you voluntarily extend for the deployment, or they get a waiver approved from the OSD, because they cannot find another 88N2O anywhere in the USAR, and that's not realistic.
Just to clarify, is your ETS prior to the deployment date, or during the deployment?
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SGM Jeff Mccloud
SGT (Join to see) - Yeah, your name will remained flagged on the DMD in MARRS-N, unable to generate a mob order, until your unit replaces your name, or you voluntarily extend and your new ETS populates in IPPS-A.
If your unit already has that NOS, and if you do not extend for the mob, they should impose a bar to reenlistment, preventing you from extending/reenlisting for an assignment outside your unit's deployment.
If your unit already has that NOS, and if you do not extend for the mob, they should impose a bar to reenlistment, preventing you from extending/reenlisting for an assignment outside your unit's deployment.
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COL Randall C.
SGM Jeff Mccloud - Agree with the first part, but not with the comment about the bar. When I read it, at first my reaction was "that sounds about right", but a bar on a USAR for not extending didn't sit right.
After looking through AR 601-280*, AR 140-111*, USARR 140-6*, and USAR policy letters, I couldn't find anything that would authorize a bar to be placed on a Soldier who didn't reenlist/extend for an upcoming mobilization/deployment. As bars are a punitive action for substandard Soldiers, there must be a justification for it.
Am I missing something?
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* AR 601-280 (Army Retention Program) - https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/ARN35366-AR_601-280-000-WEB-1.pdf
* AR 140-111 (U.S. Army Reserve Reenlistment Program) - https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/pdf/web/ARN2542_AR140-111_WEB_FINAL.pdf
* USAR Reg 140-6 (United States Army Reserve (USAR) Commander’s Retention Program) - https://www.usar.army.mil/Portals/98/USAR%20Regulation%20140-6.pdf
After looking through AR 601-280*, AR 140-111*, USARR 140-6*, and USAR policy letters, I couldn't find anything that would authorize a bar to be placed on a Soldier who didn't reenlist/extend for an upcoming mobilization/deployment. As bars are a punitive action for substandard Soldiers, there must be a justification for it.
Am I missing something?
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* AR 601-280 (Army Retention Program) - https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/ARN35366-AR_601-280-000-WEB-1.pdf
* AR 140-111 (U.S. Army Reserve Reenlistment Program) - https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/pdf/web/ARN2542_AR140-111_WEB_FINAL.pdf
* USAR Reg 140-6 (United States Army Reserve (USAR) Commander’s Retention Program) - https://www.usar.army.mil/Portals/98/USAR%20Regulation%20140-6.pdf
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SGM Jeff Mccloud
COL Randall C. - sorry, that answer about the bar was based on older info from 2009 to a few years ago.
And not all bars are punitive.
And not all bars are punitive.
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COL Randall C.
SGM Jeff Mccloud - Ahh, thanks for the clarification.
If I wrote the above response a couple of months ago (prior to having the updated guidance pointed out to me), I would be in agreement with a bar not being punitive.
However, when the Army changed the 'bar to reenlistment' to a 'bar to continued service' a couple of years ago, it formally was reclassified as a punitive action and certain processing requirements and Soldier resources were added.
If I wrote the above response a couple of months ago (prior to having the updated guidance pointed out to me), I would be in agreement with a bar not being punitive.
However, when the Army changed the 'bar to reenlistment' to a 'bar to continued service' a couple of years ago, it formally was reclassified as a punitive action and certain processing requirements and Soldier resources were added.
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SGT (Join to see), just for posterity:
When a unit deploys, everyone on the UMR (or whatever they are calling it now) is put on the manning roster ~365 days out. Pending losses (RET/ETS, etc) are noted and manning projections begin.
As Soldiers receive seperation orders, they are removed and replaced on the roster. Until then, they stay on the roster and S1 works the issues. For example, anyone with an ETS date within the +/- from the MOB/REFRAD dates will be encourage to extend to cover the dates.
in your case, you will ETS on time provided you or your S1 initates the action and you follow the steps to seperate according to policy. Don't miss the deadlines.
When a unit deploys, everyone on the UMR (or whatever they are calling it now) is put on the manning roster ~365 days out. Pending losses (RET/ETS, etc) are noted and manning projections begin.
As Soldiers receive seperation orders, they are removed and replaced on the roster. Until then, they stay on the roster and S1 works the issues. For example, anyone with an ETS date within the +/- from the MOB/REFRAD dates will be encourage to extend to cover the dates.
in your case, you will ETS on time provided you or your S1 initates the action and you follow the steps to seperate according to policy. Don't miss the deadlines.
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So the deployment starts after your ETS? Or your the deployment end date is after your ETS?
If the deployment doesn't start until after your ETS I wouldn't worry about it. That is their problem and not yours. Generally submitting names for a deployment when they don't have enough tone on their contract to complete the deployment will result in a flag anyway. With that said, if they are trying to send you on a deployment when you have an ETS coming up but there is enough time to send you if you go on advanced party and come back early then the answer gets a little more complicated. I have seen scenarios where Service Members ended up doing a 90 day rotation to fill some manpower gaps at the beginning of a deployment and then they get sent back so they hit the minimum required days to out process to ETS/EAS on time.
If the deployment doesn't start until after your ETS I wouldn't worry about it. That is their problem and not yours. Generally submitting names for a deployment when they don't have enough tone on their contract to complete the deployment will result in a flag anyway. With that said, if they are trying to send you on a deployment when you have an ETS coming up but there is enough time to send you if you go on advanced party and come back early then the answer gets a little more complicated. I have seen scenarios where Service Members ended up doing a 90 day rotation to fill some manpower gaps at the beginning of a deployment and then they get sent back so they hit the minimum required days to out process to ETS/EAS on time.
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