Posted on Jan 25, 2016
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By definition, it would be a record APFT, so the answer is absolutely and unequivocally yes.
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But for the question if you pass the APFT with Army Standard you cant not be FLAG. If you Fail your BN Standard for school o well they are HELPING YOU, Saving money, and Embarrassment. This day if you fail a NCOES is must certain that your career is OVER, a 1059 stay in your record for life and a failure is not good this days.
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MAJ Brad D'Angelo
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So what you're saying is if this test is separate from the two bi annual tests you take it's a record? I thought the record pt tests were the two you administer twice a year. If in between them I come up for a school and have to take a pt test, I don't think it should be a record. It's merely to ensure you wont go to the school not being able to pass and look like a dirtbag.
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MAJ Brad D'Angelo - I would conduct the test as a record APFT under most situations, and later use the guys that took the test for school as graders at the next unit APFT. If done as a diagnostic, it is incumbent on the tested Soldier to say so at the onset of the test. If they don't, it is for record.
I'm not out to bust a guys balls; chances are I know if they are marginal on PT before the test even happens. If they are on the cusp, they aren't going to school in my unit either.
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MAJ Brad D'Angelo
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1SG (Join to see) - well I guess we run things differently in our units. As a commander, I wouldn't have my NCOs to wait and have a soldier state that they are taking a diagnostic. Two record APFTs a year, on the long term training calendar. After that, you can do as many "diagnostics" as you wish. The answer to the original question is, unless the test taken for the school is also serving as their record biannual test, then no, you cant flag a guy if he fails a pt test before attending a school.
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MSG Jamie Coleman
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yes you should be flagged and if I were the BN CSM I would have the supervisor, 1SGT and Squad leader in my office explaining to me why this Soldier wasn't prepared for his APFT.
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Why put someone up for school when you know they are struggling with passing a PT test?
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WO1 Ierw Student
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SMA Dailey is encouraging leaders to send guys to schools even if they are borderline to help weed out personnel.
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SGT Sean Wike - Believe it or not, I had a Commander blame me because I was the only candidate out of my Squadron's 20 candidates to pass and earn the EFMB. Despite the fact that the EFMB is an individual award, because I was a Platoon Leader, their failure was a reflection on my ability to train. Forget the fact that the EFMB passing rate at that time was about 20%.
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SGT Sean Wike - We trained during SGT's time, every week, for two months. As I was a former Training NCO, I included every part of the EFMB tasks in my Platoon's training scenarios, STXs, FTXs, Motor Stables, etc. for nearly 6 months. My Med Troop Commander was misnamed (CPT Smart) and his involvement was little to nil. My Squadron Commander had even less involvement. Despite having 20 candidates competing for the EFMB, no one from my leadership was present at the end of the 12 mile forced march or the pinning ceremony. But, at least we got a ride home afterwards.
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Because the SMA told you to. The SMA told people to quit protecting Soldiers that can't pass.
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