Posted on Jun 10, 2017
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As a newly minted O-1 I have no problem with the term, but some of my fellow ENS/LTs have been scolded for using it. I never considered the term a pejorative when I was enlisted and I still don't now that I'm on the officer side. I always thought it was sort of a rite of passage that goes along with being a new Officer. Am I missing something? Do you consider the term disrespectful or demeaning?
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Butter Bar. Jarhead. Squid. Dogface. POG. REMF. Puddle Jumper. Chair Force. Personally, if any of those names offends anyone in those categories, then their skin is a little too thin for this type of work and should probably seek life elsewhere. We either kills things or support those that kill things. If those names offends people, then how are they going to act/react when the bullets fly and the IEDs go off?
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If my eye rolled harder they would blown through the back of my head.
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MAJ Joe Dempsey
MAJ Joe Dempsey
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Roger that. Thin skin does not cut it. I endured and laughed at O1 jabs. It’s a rite of passage. Thank the Lord for the great NCOs that helped nurse me through the totally green stage.
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MSgt Frank Askins
MSgt Frank Askins
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Would these same people find the tag "rookie" offensive? In essence, a "butter bar" is nothing more than a rookie officer. The majority have no experience in the military (Academy grads noted) and therefore are a novice when it comes to military service. I've seen too many of them come in and "just because they were in charge" make changes that proved to be detrimental to the smooth flow and efficiency of the section BEFORE they got there. An act of Congress can make you an officer but it can't make you a seasoned military person. I would echo other comments on here that if it bothers you, your skin is too thin to be in this line of work. The best advice I ever received as a young enlisted person was from a seasoned NCO who told me "keep your mouth shut and your eyes and ears open for two years". Over time, I found that to be sage advice (hint, hint, to newly minted butter bars). Just my opinion!
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Todd Rasmussen
Todd Rasmussen
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What my dad (a retired 1st Sgt) told me when I was in ROTC was that the gold bar just made me an apprentice to a First Sergeant. He died before he could give me my first salute.
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LT Brad McInnis
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Frankly, if an officer finds it offensive then there is probably a reason (hint: the officer is the one that is offensive). In all my time, I found that enlisted service members are fair. If you treat them with common decency you will get the same. The officers I found that had problems, had problems because they were the problem.
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SGT Rafael Morales
SGT Rafael Morales
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I have heard captains and above saying "that´s a good assignment for a butter bar" There is also the saying that once you become a first lieutenant, people come to you for advice that the day before thought you didn´t know anything.
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CPL Mark Kirkpatrick
CPL Mark Kirkpatrick
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The entire time I was in, I knew of 2 (two) LTs who were not douchebags. 1 was ours and one was in charge when we were on an assignment at Benning for advanced party. All of the rest were either egotistical assholes or morons who did not know ANYTHING about our jobs except FD.
I wish I knew LT Brad McInnis so I could raise that number.
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MAJ Chris Hale
MAJ Chris Hale
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Been enlisted and commissioned, thin skin has no place in the military.
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SFC Don Ward
SFC Don Ward
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How about one who objects to being called "LT" by his troops. You know he's in for a bad time down the road.
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1LT William Clardy
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Q: What has a soldier wearing mosquito wings accomplished that a butter bar hasn't?
A: He's been promoted.
If you can't ridicule yourself every now and then, you will never learn one of the most effective ways to overcome fear and stress.
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1LT William Clardy
1LT William Clardy
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Being able to recognize when the truth is ridiculous has saved many a day for me, PO2 John Zodun.
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Cpl Richard Fox
Cpl Richard Fox
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When I was in the Corps 1960-65 I never heard the term butter bars. I did hear our junior DI in boot call a 2nd Lt (behind his back) a F’g boot. In Division a crusty platoon sergeant used to call lieutenants Mister except for the CO who was a 1st lieutenant he called him Skipper. An Aside: I never heard of Ohh-Rah in the Corps, back then it was Gung-ho. Times change, but I don’t think Marines will ever wear berets, maybe our BAM’s will?
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MAJ Ronnie Reams
MAJ Ronnie Reams
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Mister is the term for LTs in USMC, except commanders, as you stated. In the Navy, Mister is used for all LtCdr and below unless he is the Captain of a boat or ship and then he is called Captain, regardless of rank. Fleet Carriers I am not sure about, I see some have Commodores as commanders.
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SFC Jim Ruether
SFC Jim Ruether
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SFC Jim Ruether - I could possibly be insulted if in fact I was a quarter stick of Margarine and they called me a butter bar?
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