Posted on Jul 1, 2016
Soldier Gets Leave Request Denied, Fires Back With Epic Rebuke
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Hahaha! Well first and foremost unprofessional for the rejecter to write that on his DA 31. Secondly, they better be glad that soldier didn't file a complaint or something with that proof in hand....you never know what's out there that could happen to you. I always tell my guys, "No matter who it is you're talking to, no matter that rank, use tact, and respect while standing at the proper position. If it's your peers, STILL watch what you say and how you say it!" It's a new Army and some of us leaders feel it comforts Soldeirs more and to a degree it does, however we can still shape and mold them the way we see fit by the climate we foster for them to grow in.
RLTW! Stay Airborne
RLTW! Stay Airborne
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SFC Paul Null
CW3 (Join to see) - I had the permission to take leave during Christmas from my command at the time sense I wasn't taking PCS leave. I had 1 of the squad leaders (acting platoon sergeant) didn't care for our AT section and he had written on my Leave form "Bull-Shit" and boy did the 1SG ream his stinky ass! They rejected he 4 day pass for doing that! So, I got to go on leave, while the squad leader sat at the unit "all pissed off"!
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Deborah Ballinger
no thank you for all you do for us here at home what I do is nothing compared to what you all do for us
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PO2 Tony Barker
I think I would have put something else instead of baby shower. Wife expecting would be a better choice of words
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Men aren't supposed to f*ck each other and wear dresses either, but they allow that $#!+ these days... let the Soldier go to the baby shower.
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SSG James Justice
How rude??? It is RUDE to force upon others your personal lifestyle choices!!! Now as far as the leave goes, they should have let the guy go!!
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Tysun Hayes
PFC Matthew Gildner- SSgt James Hill......
both yall bitches
shut the bitch mouths
move the fuck on
got some more to say, go suck a dick
... bitches
both yall bitches
shut the bitch mouths
move the fuck on
got some more to say, go suck a dick
... bitches
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I am dubious about the veracity of this document.
If genuine, this is pretty poor treatment. Frankly, I don't care why a Soldier goes on chargeable leave (much scrutiny on non-chargeable, however), I just want to know where he'll be at and how to get ahold of him if necessary.
Enjoy your leave.
Come back ready to work.
If genuine, this is pretty poor treatment. Frankly, I don't care why a Soldier goes on chargeable leave (much scrutiny on non-chargeable, however), I just want to know where he'll be at and how to get ahold of him if necessary.
Enjoy your leave.
Come back ready to work.
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SSG William Egan
SP6 Jeff Shelton - I DON'T CARE IF IT IS TRUE OR NOT. IT IS FUNNY AND SOMETIMES A SOLDIER JUST NEEDS THE LAUGH. I KNOW I NEEDED IT SO IT IS ALL GOOD. I JUST FILED IT IN THE "MILITARY HUMOR" COMPARTMENT OF MY BRAIN. I STILL SMILE WHEN I SEE THIS POST.
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SFC Brian Ewing
SPC (Join to see) - But isn't it correct that they cannot change the policy in any way that degrades it from its' original state, in other words; let's say that the policy says the CO CDR can only approve up to 30 days, and they change it at company level to say he can approve more than 30 days, then that would a regulation infraction considering he (the CO) cannot supersede policy, correct??
I hope someone can chime in and explain whether or not the Co Cdr can approve more than 30 days because as I recall he/she was not able though they were able to deny it but still one would have the right to appeal that decision. I just believe that a certain amount of consideration should be rendered on behalf of the Soldier requesting the Leave when certain circumstances are at hand, it shouldn't always be about going to training or training being the priority over the Soldier's overall morale and welfare. No unit will breakdown simply because one Soldier is not in the field.
I hope someone can chime in and explain whether or not the Co Cdr can approve more than 30 days because as I recall he/she was not able though they were able to deny it but still one would have the right to appeal that decision. I just believe that a certain amount of consideration should be rendered on behalf of the Soldier requesting the Leave when certain circumstances are at hand, it shouldn't always be about going to training or training being the priority over the Soldier's overall morale and welfare. No unit will breakdown simply because one Soldier is not in the field.
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SFC Brian Ewing - That is correct. If the regulation/policy says the Company Commander can approve up to 30 days, then the Company Commander can only approve up to 30 days, period. If the Battalion Commander says that he wants all leaves of 15 days or more to come through his desk for approval, then the Company Commander can't approve leaves for 15 days, but the Battalion Commander can't give the Company Commander authority to approve over 30 days in contradiction to regulation/policy.
Every single leave request should be given fair consideration, but must still be weighed against the regulations and mission requirements, as well as the reason for other Soldiers' leave requests during the same time period. The unit may not "break down" because one Soldier isn't in the field, but that Soldier's failure to participate could result in them not being able to perform to standard when it counts, and I've seen Soldiers constantly request leave during field exercises in order to avoid going at all, sometimes using the line that they requested the leave before the field exercise was scheduled (but it was a well known fact that one was in the works for around that time frame), and in one case, avoid having to get counseled on their need for a family care plan due to being a Single Parent. Soldiers should be making every effort to take their leave during scheduled block leave and when missions are lower priority (don't plan for leave the week before a field exercise, you know it's going to be a high tempo duty week, don't expect leave during Red Cycle when the unit is crazy busy. Look at the times that are slower and you don't have half the unit missing on official duties). If the leave is for something like a concert or your buddies want to hit up the casinos in Vegas, expect a low priority compared to military missions and other people who are requesting time to go to a wedding for a family member, or even the parent that want to take their child to that concert before they go TDY for 3 months for training. It's all about balance, and good leadership will show the effort, but the Soldier also has an obligation to be flexible around the military mission, as well.
My ex was scheduled for pre-deploment block leave during a specific time frame, and I was scheduled for a week long field exercise with my unit two weeks after that, and I was stationed 3 states away. My unit gave me a 3 week time frame before the field exercise to take my 2 weeks, his unit gave him his time frame. We wound up with an overlap, his leave started before I arrived, and my leave ended a week after his. So I brought our kids for my time frame, he had a week alone, a week of leave with us, and then a week where he had to work, but his unit got him off work as early as possible, and we were waiting for him at his place. That also gave me a week to get my gear set up before we rolled out once I got back. It wasn't ideal, but we made it work because we both had jobs to do. (My extra charlie foxtrot was that MY leave didn't go through the CoC, it was approved or disproved by my Team Chief. The joys of being AGR at a Command unit and not having a Commander during the month.)
Every single leave request should be given fair consideration, but must still be weighed against the regulations and mission requirements, as well as the reason for other Soldiers' leave requests during the same time period. The unit may not "break down" because one Soldier isn't in the field, but that Soldier's failure to participate could result in them not being able to perform to standard when it counts, and I've seen Soldiers constantly request leave during field exercises in order to avoid going at all, sometimes using the line that they requested the leave before the field exercise was scheduled (but it was a well known fact that one was in the works for around that time frame), and in one case, avoid having to get counseled on their need for a family care plan due to being a Single Parent. Soldiers should be making every effort to take their leave during scheduled block leave and when missions are lower priority (don't plan for leave the week before a field exercise, you know it's going to be a high tempo duty week, don't expect leave during Red Cycle when the unit is crazy busy. Look at the times that are slower and you don't have half the unit missing on official duties). If the leave is for something like a concert or your buddies want to hit up the casinos in Vegas, expect a low priority compared to military missions and other people who are requesting time to go to a wedding for a family member, or even the parent that want to take their child to that concert before they go TDY for 3 months for training. It's all about balance, and good leadership will show the effort, but the Soldier also has an obligation to be flexible around the military mission, as well.
My ex was scheduled for pre-deploment block leave during a specific time frame, and I was scheduled for a week long field exercise with my unit two weeks after that, and I was stationed 3 states away. My unit gave me a 3 week time frame before the field exercise to take my 2 weeks, his unit gave him his time frame. We wound up with an overlap, his leave started before I arrived, and my leave ended a week after his. So I brought our kids for my time frame, he had a week alone, a week of leave with us, and then a week where he had to work, but his unit got him off work as early as possible, and we were waiting for him at his place. That also gave me a week to get my gear set up before we rolled out once I got back. It wasn't ideal, but we made it work because we both had jobs to do. (My extra charlie foxtrot was that MY leave didn't go through the CoC, it was approved or disproved by my Team Chief. The joys of being AGR at a Command unit and not having a Commander during the month.)
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SFC Brian Ewing
Great write up SPC and I agree with you about when the best moments to schedule leave. Overall though Leave is for the benefit of a Soldier's morale and when it doesn't affect the mission or lead to a lack of training proficiency in the Soldier's overall skills then it should be permitted because it helps maintain the Soldier's motivation and overall Esprit de Corps of the unit. Thanks for all that great information you provided even though I know I could've taken the time to research the Regs and whatnot I knew someone on RP would have the expertise to elaborate on this topic much better than I could. Thank you again for your leadership and direction.
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