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So, unless we want to be ruled by California and New York we should keep the system our founders devised to prevent such.
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Cpl Casey Meyer
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Absolutely Sir
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LTC Orlando Illi
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Clinton may have won the popular vote in NY and CA but she LOST the election because out of 3141 counties in the United States she lost 3084 and only won 57. Thus giving Trump a DECISIVE 306 to 232 Electoral College advantage. Said another way; there are 53 cities in America whose metro areas exceed 1 million in population. In 2016 Hillary Clinton won 47 of those 53 cities, a result that encompassed 154 million people, or 48 per cent of the population. However, she arrogantly decided to ignore the 52 per cent of the population that encompasses the rural vote and that rural vote beat her badly. These were the voters of flyover country that she saved her most vitriolic commentary for; arrogantly and divisively referring to them as bigots and deplorable human beings. In point of fact Clinton's loss in the 2016 election came down to the plight of Rust Belt voters in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Michigan and Wisconsin that she ignored. What is amazing to me is that the 30 something geniuses who ran her failed 1.2 Billion Dollar campaign also managed to lose 194 of the 207 counties that voted for Obama either in 2008 or 2012. To the bitter end the narcissism and arrogance of the Czarina and her staff led them to believe that her much publicized and vaunted blue electoral wall would not be breached. Now they want to change the rules because ‘low information’ Americans had the impudence to watch FOX news and soundly rejected her campaign. They rewarded her barely concealed disgust for their deeply held values and dreams of a better life by supporting Trump. So what Podesta and Mook are really whining about is "... How dare the peasants think for themselves? We told them who to vote for..." You may laugh - but deep down in what would be considered a soul of a normal person the Czarina is still trying to figure that out.
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SN Greg Wright
SN Greg Wright
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LTC Orlando Illi - He'll have good luck getting 37 states to cede their power to NY and CA, I'm sure, Colonel! Because humans always voluntarily give up power, right?

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LTC Orlando Illi
LTC Orlando Illi
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SN Greg Wright - I rarely engage in fruitless conversations. The law is clear. You whine and stomp your foot but it changes nothing. Until the Constitution is amended this is just hot air. So either amend the Constitution or not.
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SN Greg Wright
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LTC Orlando Illi - To be clear, I was being sarcastic about his chances of doing that, heh.
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SPC Randall Eichelberger
SPC Randall Eichelberger
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LTC Orlando Illi - pretty pathetic of you to digress into personal attacks.
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Seriously......so if we discount two of the most populous states then our candidate wins. Is that really the arguement?
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PFC Jim Wheeler
PFC Jim Wheeler
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PFC (Join to see) - This post isn't about Trump winning the popular vote. It is an interesting bit of information that shows that in a close election (like this one), the two states of CA + NY can carry the popular vote enough that the other 48 states can not overcome it.

In fact, the post I made that accompanied the article link was about how I believed the electoral college was a good system because of that. I never said we should discount those states votes so that Trump could win the popular vote. I don't know where anyone on here has said that, so I'm not sure why you are getting so hung up on that.

I'll put this as plainly as I can so that it doesn't confuse anyone:

This post is not about taking away CA/NY votes to show that Trump is the popular vote victor. This post is only about how without the electoral college in this specific election CA/NY would have been able to carry the election to the candidate that did not reflect the will of the people in the majority of the individual states.
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PFC (Join to see) - I thought that was what you meant but that's not how road races are won. The EC is how national elections are won, just as how some bills must get passed with 3/4 of the senate rather than a simple majority. Majority may work fine in local cases, but not for the country. All the politicians knew this going in...
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MAJ Charles Blake - I think the contents of the article and my comment are strictly referring to the votes, not the EC, sir.
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PFC (Join to see) - thanks for explaining; your analogy makes a lot more sense now. I guess it's an interesting argument or position, but as CPT Gabe Snell mentions above, there is no such thing as a popular vote for POTUS. Class President - yes.
Then consider about the other candidates running who take votes away from Trump and HRC (like the Master Sergeant below) and factor in the illegal votes... Voting for class president is much more simple.
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